Maybe it's my loathing for Twilight or just human nature... I find this news very... uplifting. Ah, wait. It's just my loathing for Twilight kicking in. ;) It's also scary because if this news is true... them is it possible... an author worse than Meyer?
It's about darn time. That's been one of the most frustrating things about this series. It's not creative in the least! I can't tell you how many teenage love vampire vs. werewolf novels there are....
I know. Like, 99.9% of the time, books turned into movies, the books are better. They take so many important parts out, and then put in their own stuff, when we can see what we like! (We're the future voters, after all.)
Lol,well...I'm not THAT much of a Harry Potter fan,though. xD;
Did enjoy reading and watching the movies,but that's all about it,I guess. (prefer the books anyway,because the movies cut out too much,you'll end up saying "Hey,where's this and that?!" )
Well,I guess we'll have to wait for those answers to come and clear things up. xD;
You are right. I'm a die-hard Twilight fan, and I suppose you like Harry Potter. I just wonder if she IS innocent or she really did steal it. I love Stephenie, but if she stole it, I'll feel bad for Scott.
Reply to sakura dancer:
So you didn't read Harry Potter at all,if you couldn't read it when you fell asleep by the first sentence. I read halfway through Twilight's first book.
You can't judge a book by the first page. Go reading it halfway or to the end and then you can say if you think you like it or not.
And not everyone has the same tastes. Of course there are people who aren't a Harry Potter fan and of course there are people who aren't a Twilight fan. It's natural.
Reply to the topic:
Well,I do have to agree with some comments here,that most of them are like,"I hope her money will be taken away!" or similar mean things.
My previous comment was just my opinion about the book,I mean,it's okay to not like a book,right? Not everybody has the same tastes,after all. I don't really mind someone liking it,I mean,if someone likes it,well,that's alright,I guess. O.O;
I do think it was a bit wrong for me to go comparing Twilight to Harry Potter. They are,after all,pretty different. As in story and elements. (a wizard and a girl who meets vampires...Two totally different stories. xD;) So to those who felt a bit offended by that,my apologies.
It's just that I'm amazed how it got so popular while I didn't like it. (while I mostly like these kinds of books/movies),that's all. xD;
But really,I'm happy to see there are some Twilight fans commenting here,as I was getting the feeling they were being way too quiet. O.O;
As I said in my previous comment,I do understand why someone would sue Meijer,but it should be only of true things and not an action of jealousy. If it was an action of jealousy,then I honestly hope for Meijer that she wins. Jealousy never pays off,after all.
While I'm not really a fan of Twilight,I'm on her side,if she's really innocent.
If there are really stuff in the books that are similar to things in other books,it might also be just a coincidence,alot of things are similar in different books of the same subject. You can't prevent that happening.
Writers use their own imaginations and sometimes they get ideas that are similar to books that they possibly not even heard of before or never read it. That doesn't always mean they immediately stole the idea from someone else's book.
Oh well. Im a fan of the whole twilight series and in my opinion their are nothing but similarity's in vampire stories and its impossible to avoid but that's just my opinion.. And it looks like im the only one here on her side oh well
I haven't read the other book but i sadly read twilight and i have to say if this is true then the writer has every write to sue her, but I really think she did. A lot of the things pointed out are in other books as well, and many people reffer to their wives as "love." I can understand how that could trouble her but I definitely don't think it's jealousy. I'm not too sure it's plagarism either, but it's not my place to judge. For all we know it's just a big coincidence.
I don't see what's so great about Harry Potter. I read Twilight and Harry Potter, and I couldn't read Harry Potter. I fell asleep in the first sentence.
Okay, all I have to say is, for those of you that haven't read the book "The Nocturne" by Jordan Scott have no right to go and call her a plagerist.
If you don't like the series, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm not the biggest fan, but her books aren't awful, and to start bashing her when you don't know both sides is terrible, also to wish harm upon someone is equally as terrible as to wish someone that their money gets taken away if you don't know for certain that she is guilty of anything.
I don't see why everything is so mean to Stephenie Meyer, I mean of course you don't have to like Twilight, but pushing her down by saying how awful she is seemes to be going a little far.
I would understand why someone would sue her. I mean,I don't really understand what's so great about this series. (that,while I'm a complete Vampire-addict)
And the fact that it's so popular by many girls struck me with amazement,as I couldn't even finish the first book because it was too boring! And don't forget to mention that the movie was kinda...Worse.
No offense to anyone who actually likes Twilight,but seriously,I'm an active reader and I've read far more greater books that should've gotten more attention instead of this "Twilight". (to be honest,it was one of the worst books I've read so far).
And people who say Twilight's the new Harry Potter...No. Just no. Not going to happen. Never. Impossible.
Harry Potter's far too great to be even compared with such a serie called "Twilight". Twilight doesn't even get close to Harry Potter.
Harry Potter has lots of elements that makes you get glued to the books and makes you keep reading. There's alot of unique stuff in it and there's action. Even in the last book,you just had to read more and more. Plus the way Rowling writes everything down is like magic for your eyes.
Twilight on the other hand,was written in a pretty boring way. Didn't glue me,I often had to put away the book because it was simply boring.
Other thing I've noticed...Why are there only negative comments here? xD;
Where are the "Twilight-fans" now?
Last edited by KitsyLove at 7:34:53 PM EDT on August 9, 2009.
Breaking Dawn did fail epically but, I do believe it was plagiarism because there were many parts which sounded a bit more sophisticated compared to the other books.
Best of luck to Mr. Scott
Craig Ferguson did a skit, Meyer had a pet cat made of money, and J.K. Rowling....it was hilarious! She literally farted money. My side is still hurting.
hmmm......ive never been a big fan of the Twilight series but from the way it sounds im NEVER gonna read it cuz i dont want to join the Twilight groupies(who does???O_o')
I'm not a twilight-er but out of the million other vampire novels in the world he choose, it was specifically hers. Does anyone realize just how many vampire novels say that it hurts HORRIBLY when a human turns into a vampire? A great number do. And what else could you do when turning into a vamp? It's either going to be a a pleasure or it's going to hurt badly. There are not too many in-betweeners and even if there were, who cares?
This is like the author of Sailor Moon suing all the other Magical Girl series (like Tokyo Mew Mew). I'm not interested in Meyer or her books, but I can see a jealous vampire novelist who is upset that his books are either getting looked over because of hers- or ignored because no one wants to get into an over hyped subject such as vampires.
I don't think any author can be jealous of Meyer, except maybe fellow fanfiction and harlequin writers. The only feelings that good authors should have for Meyer are those of rage and hate, since she was able to have her horribly written fantasies published and bought by billions of horndogs who don't know the difference between literature and fanfiction. However, the only people who I think should sue Meyer are millions of fanfiction writers on quizilla.com who have almost identical Mary Sue vampire fanfictions. Thenagain, I haven't read any of Scott's books, so I'm assuming that he's almost as lousy as Meyer.
Sounds like someone is attention whoring. I mean just think of all the people who like Twilight, who will actually go and read this person's novels just to see if it's true. Money or not, they got the attention.
I think attempting to make Stephanie Meyers do the whole cease and desist thing is going to be about as effective as trying to get Christoper Paolini to shut his trap and stop writing stuff that makes the B-movies on SyFy look good. The only difference is that the Inheritance Trilogy/Quadilogy/Cycle makes me roll in laughter, while... eh... we don't talk about what Twilight makes me want to do.
Hot and Cold (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
*sigh* I think it probably is jealously... The Twilight series has been out for a while. If the guy is now taking action against her and suing her just because the series got famous, it's more than likely he wants to take credit...
Although I don't like Twilight really anymore ever since I reread it and wanted to know why I read it in the first place... I gotta say, I think he's making the entire thing up and just wants the money
Well, this sort of thing worked out for the guys who'd written 'Holy Blood, Holy Trinity' after 'The DaVinci Code' came out; what took you banal teen-romance novelists so long to catch up?
Really? I've never seen Star Wars (just not that kind of girl). Or Battlestar Galatica. And you're correct. And get this: Scott planned never to make any monetary damages. So why are you taking it to court if you don't want the money? "For the love of justice"? Nuh-uh. If you don't want money after something like this, your just jealous of someone else's success. Even if someone doesn't like Twilight, they know it has been a huge success, and obviously, if you don't plan to take away someone's money, you want something else. And I'm willing to bet that all Scott wants is for people to read her book. And in the end, Meyer is innocent, and Scott has some fans of "The Nocturne".
there is no such thing as an exactly original idea...
Steph might not even have read Scott's book, she might have just wrote down what she though was best played out in her mind. Ideas cross over but doesn't mean it's stolen
...WOAH!!!! He's actually sueing her???? O_O. I don't know whether to believe the jealousy theory or the plagarism theory, but I got a feeling this case won't hold well in court.... (considering Meyer has just about every other teenage girl in America on her side - except us of course XD)
Honestly, I wouldn't want to brag about Stephenie Meyer of all people ripping me off. Even if she did somehow manage to become obscenely wealthy thanks to it.
Although I never read the "Twilight" book series, I have a hunch that it could be unexpected that Jordan Scott's "The Nocturne" holds some similarity with the "Twilight" book "Breaking Dawn" and I bet that Stephanie Meyer probably never read Scott's book. Normally and often, similarities between stories are an unexpected scenario(ex: when George Lucas' 1977 film "Star Wars" holds unexpecy 30 similarities with Glen Larson's 1978 classic "Battlestar Galactica").
To conclude, there's a 100% chance that Scott's jealous and that Meyer never intended to rip-off anything.
At first I thought that this was another idiot trying to get some easy money, but if Meyer took actual phrases from his book then... I'm really hoping the guy gets his money. (and here I thought there wasn't anyone else on the planet that wrote as awful as Meyer...)
SolemnSerpent
Cupcake Constable (Moderator) | Posted 08/30/09 | Reply
Maybe it's my loathing for Twilight or just human nature... I find this news very... uplifting. Ah, wait. It's just my loathing for Twilight kicking in. ;) It's also scary because if this news is true... them is it possible... an author worse than Meyer?
serenitytsu
Otakuite+ | Posted 08/18/09 | Reply
It's about darn time. That's been one of the most frustrating things about this series. It's not creative in the least! I can't tell you how many teenage love vampire vs. werewolf novels there are....
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/16/09 | Reply
@KitsyLove:
I know. Like, 99.9% of the time, books turned into movies, the books are better. They take so many important parts out, and then put in their own stuff, when we can see what we like! (We're the future voters, after all.)
KitsyLove
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/16/09 | Reply
@sakura dancer:
Lol,well...I'm not THAT much of a Harry Potter fan,though. xD;
Did enjoy reading and watching the movies,but that's all about it,I guess. (prefer the books anyway,because the movies cut out too much,you'll end up saying "Hey,where's this and that?!" )
Well,I guess we'll have to wait for those answers to come and clear things up. xD;
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/15/09 | Reply
@KitsyLove:
You are right. I'm a die-hard Twilight fan, and I suppose you like Harry Potter. I just wonder if she IS innocent or she really did steal it. I love Stephenie, but if she stole it, I'll feel bad for Scott.
KitsyLove
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/14/09 | Reply
@sakura dancer:
Reply to sakura dancer:
So you didn't read Harry Potter at all,if you couldn't read it when you fell asleep by the first sentence. I read halfway through Twilight's first book.
You can't judge a book by the first page. Go reading it halfway or to the end and then you can say if you think you like it or not.
And not everyone has the same tastes. Of course there are people who aren't a Harry Potter fan and of course there are people who aren't a Twilight fan. It's natural.
Reply to the topic:
Well,I do have to agree with some comments here,that most of them are like,"I hope her money will be taken away!" or similar mean things.
My previous comment was just my opinion about the book,I mean,it's okay to not like a book,right? Not everybody has the same tastes,after all. I don't really mind someone liking it,I mean,if someone likes it,well,that's alright,I guess. O.O;
I do think it was a bit wrong for me to go comparing Twilight to Harry Potter. They are,after all,pretty different. As in story and elements. (a wizard and a girl who meets vampires...Two totally different stories. xD;) So to those who felt a bit offended by that,my apologies.
It's just that I'm amazed how it got so popular while I didn't like it. (while I mostly like these kinds of books/movies),that's all. xD;
But really,I'm happy to see there are some Twilight fans commenting here,as I was getting the feeling they were being way too quiet. O.O;
As I said in my previous comment,I do understand why someone would sue Meijer,but it should be only of true things and not an action of jealousy. If it was an action of jealousy,then I honestly hope for Meijer that she wins. Jealousy never pays off,after all.
While I'm not really a fan of Twilight,I'm on her side,if she's really innocent.
If there are really stuff in the books that are similar to things in other books,it might also be just a coincidence,alot of things are similar in different books of the same subject. You can't prevent that happening.
Writers use their own imaginations and sometimes they get ideas that are similar to books that they possibly not even heard of before or never read it. That doesn't always mean they immediately stole the idea from someone else's book.
Well,I wonder how this'll end.
PuppylovePyro
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/13/09 | Reply
I had a lot to say about this, but then I started reading all the comments here. and one thing stuck out to me.
You are all referring to Jordan Scott as a guy. She's not a dude, she's a chick XD
It is a rather masculine name, "Jordan" being androgynous, and "Scott" being male...
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/11/09 | Reply
@aminesick:
Thank gawd for you! Yay, I love Twilight too! :D
aminesick
D (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/11/09 | Reply
Oh well. Im a fan of the whole twilight series and in my opinion their are nothing but similarity's in vampire stories and its impossible to avoid but that's just my opinion.. And it looks like im the only one here on her side oh well
timbermoonkiss
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/11/09 | Reply
I haven't read the other book but i sadly read twilight and i have to say if this is true then the writer has every write to sue her, but I really think she did. A lot of the things pointed out are in other books as well, and many people reffer to their wives as "love." I can understand how that could trouble her but I definitely don't think it's jealousy. I'm not too sure it's plagarism either, but it's not my place to judge. For all we know it's just a big coincidence.
.::timbermoonkiss::.
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/10/09 | Reply
@KitsyLove:
I don't see what's so great about Harry Potter. I read Twilight and Harry Potter, and I couldn't read Harry Potter. I fell asleep in the first sentence.
haseo luver92
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/10/09 | Reply
Okay, all I have to say is, for those of you that haven't read the book "The Nocturne" by Jordan Scott have no right to go and call her a plagerist.
If you don't like the series, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm not the biggest fan, but her books aren't awful, and to start bashing her when you don't know both sides is terrible, also to wish harm upon someone is equally as terrible as to wish someone that their money gets taken away if you don't know for certain that she is guilty of anything.
haseo
MerokoYui4
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
@Rachmaninoff:
I definately agree.
MerokoYui4
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
I don't see why everything is so mean to Stephenie Meyer, I mean of course you don't have to like Twilight, but pushing her down by saying how awful she is seemes to be going a little far.
KitsyLove
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
I would understand why someone would sue her. I mean,I don't really understand what's so great about this series. (that,while I'm a complete Vampire-addict)
And the fact that it's so popular by many girls struck me with amazement,as I couldn't even finish the first book because it was too boring! And don't forget to mention that the movie was kinda...Worse.
No offense to anyone who actually likes Twilight,but seriously,I'm an active reader and I've read far more greater books that should've gotten more attention instead of this "Twilight". (to be honest,it was one of the worst books I've read so far).
And people who say Twilight's the new Harry Potter...No. Just no. Not going to happen. Never. Impossible.
Harry Potter's far too great to be even compared with such a serie called "Twilight". Twilight doesn't even get close to Harry Potter.
Harry Potter has lots of elements that makes you get glued to the books and makes you keep reading. There's alot of unique stuff in it and there's action. Even in the last book,you just had to read more and more. Plus the way Rowling writes everything down is like magic for your eyes.
Twilight on the other hand,was written in a pretty boring way. Didn't glue me,I often had to put away the book because it was simply boring.
Other thing I've noticed...Why are there only negative comments here? xD;
Where are the "Twilight-fans" now?
Last edited by KitsyLove at 7:34:53 PM EDT on August 9, 2009.
Cherryshock
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
i dont think anyone should ever be jealous of twilight... LOL
Mrs. Camui
Otakuite | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
She stole from many different authors. It's about time someone knocked her off her pedestool.
scribblezfox
Otakuite+ | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
Breaking Dawn did fail epically but, I do believe it was plagiarism because there were many parts which sounded a bit more sophisticated compared to the other books.
Best of luck to Mr. Scott
ChibiSasuke
13th Angel (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/09/09 | Reply
Ohhhh dear. I don't think that's a good thing for Mr. Scott... seeing as the whole Breaking Dawn book was crap xDDD
beloved blood
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
@sakura dancer:
ooohhh!!! XD XD XD a pet cat made of money?! and farting money?! did she fart a bank too???
Haxelo
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
there are so many vampire books etc but there are too many coincidence that its the same to be not able to know the book by scoot 'Nocturne'
i think its both plagiarism and jealousy... its just about: money, fame and originality(?)
Last edited by nica624 at 9:28:53 PM EDT on August 8, 2009.
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
@beloved blood:
Craig Ferguson did a skit, Meyer had a pet cat made of money, and J.K. Rowling....it was hilarious! She literally farted money. My side is still hurting.
MangaMageBlue
Otakuite+ | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
I heard somewhere that the original idea Twilight came from a book Dean Koontz did; but that's just a rumor...
beloved blood
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
it's teh jealousy... i would be jealous if some lady sold millions of copies, too... i'd want to make her eat dirt, too...
evil in innocence. innocence in evil
Ryochi30
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/08/09 | Reply
Okay... So the conclusion is, "Stephenie Meyer's books suck-ass, and Jordan Scott is a raging vampire freak. Whose books also suck."
Any objections?
Last edited by Ryochi30 at 1:49:11 AM EDT on August 8, 2009.
Xenesis
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
hmmm......ive never been a big fan of the Twilight series but from the way it sounds im NEVER gonna read it cuz i dont want to join the Twilight groupies(who does???O_o')
HotaruSama
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
I'm not a twilight-er but out of the million other vampire novels in the world he choose, it was specifically hers. Does anyone realize just how many vampire novels say that it hurts HORRIBLY when a human turns into a vampire? A great number do. And what else could you do when turning into a vamp? It's either going to be a a pleasure or it's going to hurt badly. There are not too many in-betweeners and even if there were, who cares?
This is like the author of Sailor Moon suing all the other Magical Girl series (like Tokyo Mew Mew). I'm not interested in Meyer or her books, but I can see a jealous vampire novelist who is upset that his books are either getting looked over because of hers- or ignored because no one wants to get into an over hyped subject such as vampires.
Zakuro Rose
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
The ironic thing is, I was reading this article seconds before I got on to theO and saw this news nugget. XD
sbsp13668
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
I don't think any author can be jealous of Meyer, except maybe fellow fanfiction and harlequin writers. The only feelings that good authors should have for Meyer are those of rage and hate, since she was able to have her horribly written fantasies published and bought by billions of horndogs who don't know the difference between literature and fanfiction. However, the only people who I think should sue Meyer are millions of fanfiction writers on quizilla.com who have almost identical Mary Sue vampire fanfictions. Thenagain, I haven't read any of Scott's books, so I'm assuming that he's almost as lousy as Meyer.
SomeGuy
Canadian Liaison (Team) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Huh. It's more likely to be coincidence than not, but even coincidences can hold up for certain things if the coincidences are similar enough.
Boy's got a hell of an uphill battle. He totally won't win, but gosh darn if it ain't gonna be entertaining to watch him try!
Rachmaninoff
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Sounds like someone is attention whoring. I mean just think of all the people who like Twilight, who will actually go and read this person's novels just to see if it's true. Money or not, they got the attention.
Nehszriah
Hits Self With Axe (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
I think attempting to make Stephanie Meyers do the whole cease and desist thing is going to be about as effective as trying to get Christoper Paolini to shut his trap and stop writing stuff that makes the B-movies on SyFy look good. The only difference is that the Inheritance Trilogy/Quadilogy/Cycle makes me roll in laughter, while... eh... we don't talk about what Twilight makes me want to do.
Be true, be you and of course, be otaku.
DeidaraNarutoClan
Hot and Cold (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
*sigh* I think it probably is jealously... The Twilight series has been out for a while. If the guy is now taking action against her and suing her just because the series got famous, it's more than likely he wants to take credit...
Although I don't like Twilight really anymore ever since I reread it and wanted to know why I read it in the first place... I gotta say, I think he's making the entire thing up and just wants the money
cougarsama
LDS Fangirl! (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Well, this sort of thing worked out for the guys who'd written 'Holy Blood, Holy Trinity' after 'The DaVinci Code' came out; what took you banal teen-romance novelists so long to catch up?
zap29
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
I'd believe it.
DemonKingAtticus
A Fiery Spirit (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Interesting nobody is trying to sue JK Rowling... go after the new kid on the block I guess?
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
@Estheryuki:
Exactly! Read my last comment and tell me what you think, please.
sakura dancer
Senior Otaku | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
@stararnold:
Really? I've never seen Star Wars (just not that kind of girl). Or Battlestar Galatica. And you're correct. And get this: Scott planned never to make any monetary damages. So why are you taking it to court if you don't want the money? "For the love of justice"? Nuh-uh. If you don't want money after something like this, your just jealous of someone else's success. Even if someone doesn't like Twilight, they know it has been a huge success, and obviously, if you don't plan to take away someone's money, you want something else. And I'm willing to bet that all Scott wants is for people to read her book. And in the end, Meyer is innocent, and Scott has some fans of "The Nocturne".
Estheryuki
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
there is no such thing as an exactly original idea...
Steph might not even have read Scott's book, she might have just wrote down what she though was best played out in her mind. Ideas cross over but doesn't mean it's stolen
Mad Hatter Belia
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
...WOAH!!!! He's actually sueing her???? O_O. I don't know whether to believe the jealousy theory or the plagarism theory, but I got a feeling this case won't hold well in court.... (considering Meyer has just about every other teenage girl in America on her side - except us of course XD)
~B.B~
Ace
Senile Hipster (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Honestly, I wouldn't want to brag about Stephenie Meyer of all people ripping me off. Even if she did somehow manage to become obscenely wealthy thanks to it.
stararnold
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
Although I never read the "Twilight" book series, I have a hunch that it could be unexpected that Jordan Scott's "The Nocturne" holds some similarity with the "Twilight" book "Breaking Dawn" and I bet that Stephanie Meyer probably never read Scott's book. Normally and often, similarities between stories are an unexpected scenario(ex: when George Lucas' 1977 film "Star Wars" holds unexpecy 30 similarities with Glen Larson's 1978 classic "Battlestar Galactica").
To conclude, there's a 100% chance that Scott's jealous and that Meyer never intended to rip-off anything.
jannycats
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/07/09 | Reply
At first I thought that this was another idiot trying to get some easy money, but if Meyer took actual phrases from his book then... I'm really hoping the guy gets his money. (and here I thought there wasn't anyone else on the planet that wrote as awful as Meyer...)