I didn't mean, Cherry Shock, as "let this go like it never happened". I'm meaning let's get a good compromise. : At least that's what I think i meant. I'm still on your side, i just wish there to be no more fighting >
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/28/07 | Reply
Its okay,RSR-chan.
everythings under control now,and if anyone swears or insults,the moderator said they would delete their comment.
^_^
everything calm and good now,so now its a
'discussion'
not a
'fight'
I know what you mean abou the underage people...
xB
*gigglesnort*
xDD
hmm.
sub catagories for the most popular animes would be great,because the other categories dont have that many OC's to deal with anyways.
Um, I don't want to get in this fight, but, i think it be much easier if there was for ex: a KH oc, TMM oc, Naruto oc, etc, section, not one cramped oc section like everyone was saying. i really dont like fights, sorry if im making this fight worse, but yes, oc's do kinda dominate sometimes. i have an oc myself, Sayoko, sorry if she ennoys u >.<
Maybe they should also add a section like, character from a real anime with ur oc, since for example, Riku (KH) is not MY Original creation, right? so it wouldn't be right to put a pic of Sayoko (my oc) and Riku in original or an oc section. i dont want to abuse copy rights, and get in trouble by the original animator of the anime. I just hope people dont hate eachother. please dont yell at me. please lets have a peaceful conversation. I respect evryones oppinion. And i dont really feel comfortable with fights including bad words.. as Sakurie-san said, There r people who r yonger than 13 on here, and they might stop coming here anymore because theyre terrified of bad words. I dont mind reading bad words as long as its funny, like for example, Kokkoi Matoku-san said on a pic, "HOLY FUCKING FUDGE MUFFINS!" that really cracked me up Kokkoi! XD But when bad words r used in a bad way, i dont really like it >.< (btw i think thats the first time ive written the "F" word ever XD)
anyway, no more fighting please! And if u dont likey my idea, please no yelling at me! i just want people to calm down, if im annoying u, i am very very sorry.
I'll be going now!
well...why not just put O.cs in their own category? I.e a category in which you state in the tags what anime its for..maybe? Just an idea. >-> Don't feel the need to listen to me.
Man can we just let this go. We are getting worked up for nothing and soon it will get ugly for everybody. Really this is just getting out of hand. This isn't a big deal so just drop it.
(note: what im about to say will not be rude or yelling in any way)
How about... we all just pick which category we want our o.c in and leave it at that. of course even if we do a vote for which sugestion is better not everyone is going to be satisfyed and it would lead to arguements all over again. Lets end this peacefully, call it truce and move on. Let people on cherry's side put o.c's in the anime category and people on cheeki's side put there o.c's in the OA category. I believe that would end all this nonscence but maybe it would start new problems (example: someone whose on cheeki's side doesnt like the o.c's put on the anime category and start a debate ALL OVER AGAIN which leads to arguements)
So my sugestion has its good and bad points like everyone elses. BUT if this still goes the way its going (which im sure it will) this will last years and probably end with no conclution once so ever.
So lets end this evenly and let the people decide where to put there o.c.
-_- lets just hope while "compromising" no one kills anyone else, cherryshock. Because I think it is getting very close to that solution alone. *deep breath* I know, because I'm getting a very strong urge to flame at some, but I won't because that is not the true Otaku way.
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/26/07 | Reply
hmm...
Its good to see everyone comprimising ^_^
The one problem with the Original character section would be that there are tons of OC from each category,and cramming them all into one would be...umn..hectic.
If people think there are tons of OCs in Tokyo Mew Mew and Naruto Alone,think of all the original characters that are gonna be crammed into one category.
anyways,I'm still sticking to the spawn section thig.
I appreciate everyone's opinion! And if we keep this compramizing thing going,pretty soon this will all be figured out and there will be peace.
: DD
Huzzah ^_^
-cherri-chan
Um, guys? *Is trying to be a mediator and is about to get killed xD*
This topic is starting up arguments abouth other, totally unrelated topics, simply because some people do not see eye-to-eye. People are taking this WAY too personally. Just because one person agrees with CheekiSquirrel, and another agrees with Cherryshock, does not mean they are attacking each other! Please, people, let us try and handle this maturely. How about we DISCUSS the topic instead of FIGHTING about it? I am seeing many decent people (not necessarily in here, just everywhere) getting far too angry over this. Let art be art, be it where it may. *Is trying and failing miserably to help xD*
-SuperSaiyanJounin
i agree we should be able to put in the place we want to like my oc tetheala with the naruto thing i mean what if someone never new what naruto was and they saw my oc and it wasnt in the naruto spot the would wounder why my person had a head ban and stuff but if they saw it in the naruto area then they would understand so if we dont put them in the right area we will be losing the perspective of the pic so i agree
well thats not my problem is it?
i dont really care anymore
but you can ramble on if you want.
Ill still do what i like best, FANART.
your opinion doesnt really matter to me.
your just biased
I saying that fanart is all anyone really looks at. That's what makes it stupid. Not as in "You're stupid for working really hard on that FMA fanart" But as in "Fanart gets too much attention." I like looking at fanart sometimes, but making something up by yourself, like someone's looks and wat they wear, isn't that a lot more fun to see and make?
I dont really see the point of all this anymore.
everone has their own opinions and its just causing arguements.
I know you mean well cherryshock, but this is all pointless.
yes i know we all have a right to say our own opinions, but this is out of hand.
Im not saying i hate looking at other poeples art regardless if its someones oc.
But maybe thats even the reason at all.
Just because some poeple dont like looking at someones ocs, doesnt give an excuse to not improve.
i like FMA. i like it so much, that i fanart of it.
thats the only reason that i like to do fan art beacause i like the anime.just cause you dont like it, doesnt mean everybody has to agree with you.
and arnt you being a little hypocritiacal of my fanart?
you say "Plus, not to be offensive to anyone, but to say you hate looking at people's OCs, that's pretty much trying to murder someone's creativity other than drawing stupid fanart"
Stupid fanart? so you say, i should like ocs, but not fanart?
you seem to be mudering my creativity to fanart.
i like everybodys fanart.
and please dont say i dont.
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/26/07 | Reply
Ouch!
*pwned*
ok ok ok!
Everybody take a deep breath and lets put our thinking caps on!
THis settle this in a chatroom :B
jk.
umn how about a message board or something..any thing other than this cramped comment box!
*struggles for space*
I think all Otakus should have the right to express their opinions freely on this site.
I never flamed cheeki :/
had to say that again since many untrue remarks have been made about me.
xB
and now I shall flee : DD
I'm only going to say this once due to the sheer amount of flaming/swearing comments I've had to trim out of this discussion.
If this ridiculous behavior continues action will be taken. I expect all of you to discuss this in a more calm and rational manner and leave the pointless snipping and swearing behind.
SunfallE
I agree with you. Yesh. But I really have to say I'm really annoyed and a little P.O.ed that some people hate having to look at OCs people have made. I mean, to make a good OC takes much-needed time and effort to make them, is it not? I have a few OCs, and most of them I don't bother putting up because a lot of people hate seeing them. I put a lot of hard work in anything I draw. Plus, not to be offensive to anyone, but to say you hate looking at people's OCs, that's pretty much trying to murder someone's creativity other than drawing stupid fanart. To kill someone's creativity is, frankly, killing the artist themselves and not very nice.
~Ai-chan
CriesOfChimera, you have a very valid point. The Crossover Anime section probably would be crowded, I did not even think about that. Thank you for telling me, I appreciate your input on my comment. You gave your own suggestion without bashing my own in any way. Thank you ^^
Also, I noticed ms random made a comment about CriesOfChimera. I would not think to bash her at all, since she is my friend on Otaku, and I do not like bashing anyway, but when she said "instead of complaining, you should focus on improving", I was not sure whether or not that was an insult or not to her artwork. I hope not, because that sounds a little harsh, but maybe I just read that the wrong way and am an idiot o_0 xD
Yes, so it would seem that an Original Character category should be set up. But, a question. If there WAS an Original Character category, like so many people are proposing, would anyone look? Everyone complains about Mary Sues and that sort, and complains about how obnoxious OCs are, or at least many of the people I have seen. If so many people dislike OCs, would that help the artists at all? Would that not just get them less views than if they were placed in the Original Anime section, or anywhere else, for that matter? I do not have a problem with the OC section idea, in fact, I am all for it, but that just seemed to me like something that would be a problem.
But, like I said before, we should be here for the art, not for some silly differences surrounding it. Art is art, no matter where it is placed, right?
-SuperSaiyanJounin
Wow lol this is the newest way to get on the featured art section.
*create contoversial topic about something and have people voice options*
Anyway I agree with yah Cherryshock! Making a character for an anime and putting it in the Original ANIME section should be considered plagarizing because by doing that your kinda saying you own part of the anime. which you don't your just having fun following your fandom and I see nothing wrong with it.
Though..Adam may have to create OC sub categories for it so people who think "OMFG WASTE OF SPACE!!!11111!111 I DON'T WANNA SEE IT PUT IT SOME WHERE ELSE LOL" won't have to see it
(and peace can be restored and everyone can go home.)
Example:
Sorta like most sites do with yaoi and yuri they make sub categories so the site can stay at a safe rating and not offend people who find it offensive and if you go find it and say "OMFGG OFFENDED TAKE IT DOWN NAO!!!!1111" well it's your fault because it was in a catergory away from the flood of regular art and then your just being a spammer.
d(^__^)b rock on thar, though
i know people want to see famous anime characters, thats just how it is.
Drawig actual characters from an anime is called fanart, FAN stuff. it doesnt have to be creative, its just fanstuff.
If you work hard then youll improve, criesofcrimera instead of complaining, you should try to improve.
and sometimes i dont get noticed and only 1 vote.
but i just want to improve.
wow... O_O this has become polemic... though i also agree with some... like in creating an O.C category... maybe create in in every anime category... cuz creating just one would be TOO crowded, and not creating any is problematic... so id say create an O.C category in each anime show in this page... dunno, its just an idea.
But ppl!! lets be happy, draw anime and support the artists!! we dont have to "kill" ourselves for this
Akatsuki Elite Member: Ichati
The only bad thing i have to say about that plan, supersaiyanjounin, is that if we took all the OCs from every section on this entire site, wouldn't that flood the Crossover anime section? Other than that I think it's a fairly good plan.
Well, this is definitely an interesting argument, even if I never imagined it would actually happen o_0
There are very valid points on both sides. Although the character does not belong to the anime, thus a reason to put it in Original Anime, it is also not from an original anime but an idea from a current one, thus a reason to put it under the inspired anime.
I, like some people I have seen, agree with both CheekiSquirrel and Cherryshock. CheekiSquirrel is right in the sense that the OCs are now beginning to dominate the categories they are placed in. Also, if the characters are original, then they COULD be placed under Original Anime. However, I do believe that if something is inspired by an existing anime, it could also be placed there as well.
However, if anyone was paying attention, Saiyukiluver came up with a brilliant compromise. Why not put it in Crossover Anime? Because the character is original and the show it came from is not, it is a mix of originality and the anime, so crossover seems to fit perfectly. So I must side with Saiyukiluver on this one. It is a way to not flood anime sections, and no one wins or loses in this.
Also, since when did theOtaku become political? This site was made so that anime lovers could all come to the same place to talk, draw, and submit all kinds of great creations. Since when does the way we submit our art make a difference on whether or not the art is of quality or not? Instead of getting mad at each other for being different simply in the petty sense that we put OCs in different categories, why can we not get along because we all love anime and art, and should be able to appreciate it no matter WHERE it goes?
-SuperSaiyanJounin
Yeah...I believe an O.C category could be created...there seems to be lots of O.C lovers so I guess this could get the respect and popularity it deserves...
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/26/07 | Reply
hm..
but then we would have OCs from every anime in one section,that would be hectic.
I say to just keep them in the section the character was made for.
:/
Well Fury, you are right. probably 95% of all otakus on here are not really heard by ppl. That's the truth. And we should all know it.
I also will go with Omega Zero about apologizing somewhat, just because this is a fairly pointless fight to be having. Each side has some points, though I may not agree at all with one side, but as long as there is no rule of where you have to put your OCs, then there can be no point trying to sway other people's opinions.
I also agree with those who are saying if you made a character to go INTO a certain series, then it SHOULD be in that category. For one, it will be seen more than if everyone has to shove their OCs into the OA. For two, no one here owns the series of which someone makes an OC for. So to put it in the OA is saying all ideas of that series is actually yours.
And before I go, that's the POINT ms random. Everyone nowadays just wants to see the FAMOUS anime and manga chara. So if people just shove EVERY OC they make into the OA, nothing is noticed. And you said that you have to work hard to get noticed, well, i do, but a lot of times i get almost no votes. I work at least two hours on most of my drawings, and no one cares. I don't have photoshop which is what most people vote on, I'm not a really good colorer another thing that HAS TO BE to get votes, I'm not really popular another one you have to hav to get votes, and I almost NEVER draw fanart that are of actual chara in an anime cuz i think that's not very creative and is almost not even really art at all, for you are just copying someone else's characters. There's almost nothing creative about THAT. Yet, though mostly not creative with drawing fanart, THAT'S one of the main things that gets votes.
There's my point. If you don't like it, deal with it.
~Ai-chan
that is SO true! i totally agree! i've never actually had anyone disagree to where i place my oc's, but i can see where you're coming from! i wasn't sure for a while but after much careful consideration, i DO think that oc's for an anime belong in there spawned section. GREAT job! i hope your word gets to everyone!
.::Uramihcoro::.
I agree with cheeki and cherry but mostly cherry (just like wolfblade227) Cheeki has a point but putting it under original anime is just like throwing our anime o.c in some place dark and not to be viewed much. Original anime i think was meant for fan art of a manga you created or just some random girl or boy you drew.
But putting our o.c's in the anime category its from is kinda flooding it but its not our anime so we should put them under the anime we picture them from.
Im not picking sides and im not yelling in any manner or argueing. I dont think Cherry didnt mean for all of this to happen she was just stating her opinion just like cheeki so lets all give a hug and move on please
^-^ let otaku be peaceful again shall we?
sides..your floodin the animess...I wanna see the real characters >.<
wow..im glad we all dont live with eachother....
oh...it looks like fury already made my point..
Hero of Thyme (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/26/07 | Reply
gosh i never knew this was such a big issue... o___O
most of my o.c.'s are for Naruto and i always put them in the Naruto section. seeing how i made them for that anime and all i figure if i didn't put it there things would get confusing
does it really make much of a difference though? i say put them whereever you want just as long as you say it's an o.c.
*ROBOTS ARE EVIL!*
~Colleen the Great~X_X
ORIGINAL characters go with the ORIGANAL catagory.
Yes, you did not create it. when a picture of an oc is put with a real anime its called a fanpicture, YOU made it the character, NOT the origanal character.
Do you get what Im getting at??
and when people say " I put it with the anime so i can get noticed ". when someones picture has a lot of votes, it because they worked hard on it. and when people complain about that, they just have to work harder.
i dont see why people make up ocs anyway. its it fun? is it for so your favorite character will fall in love in love with the ocs?
If its thosed then make up your own story.
and is an oc really thatoriganal??
when its with another anime, can it be counted as something you made up?
well, i dont care since i dont have one.
whatever.
like the picture, its cute ;)
I'm not getting into this arguement or whatever, but cute pic. I like the translation and the 'I use your flames to heat my house!'
But in a way I do agree with you, yet I agree with Cheeki.
Confussing.
=0
We need a section for O.C.s only.
...So put it in crossover. You have a fictional character that you made from a different source other than the anime itself. It was your mind which created it and it was crossed with a fictional story by another persons mind....Wait why are we fighting over stupid fictional characters, stories and such? Anime is not real so no need to be all huffy about an unreal thing. ^_^
omgea zero, i apologize, and i thank u for apologizing. i get worked up because i love my characters and i love anime.
hopefully we'll stop arguing.
haseo
I wish that people would understand all this before they start arguing like crazy rabid squirrels, who all want the same acorn XD
I know I argued a little bit but I just wanted you to stop fighting and stand up for some of the people I consider friends. Even if I'm not to them or they don't know who the frick I am XD
Sorry everyone! *bows*
Okay All I was saying was that I think that someone other than the creator's character should not be put in that anime's category. Its not her character. Its your original. ._. So why does it not make logic of original anime + tokyo = crossover in the least? Sure you can tag or write in the description 'tokyo mew mew oc'
But the thing that alot of mainartist who come to just see the characters of that specific anime, they don't wanna see a bunch of OCs who aren't in the show. The point also cheeki was trying to say was its starting to FLOOD in them ._. Sometimes people draw a character and it has nothing to even look like the series and they never draw her again.
The characters, I thought, were a part of the anime >>. Most people take into consideration the characters. So many things Icould say on that anime and character stuff, but- Why try to bother on something your not even going to try to comprehend what I mean? >> Why not try to make your own anime and characters? :3 Its a little harder, cause you don't automatically have a story for- but I think its really fun X3 And I think you would too, for the feeling of people liking something you made by yourself.
...god i hate this site sometimes.....now everyone stop bickering and learn some tolerance eh? everyone has the right to an opinion but that does not include being disrespectful and insulting others. and swearing every second word just coz you think it makes you seem older. it just shows your ignorant.
(not taking sides)
I apologize for having been so rude
both cheeki and Cherry had valid points and I'd like to apologize for being rude
I still believe iron hard that cheeki is right but Cherry also have a point...this is a debate that should be discussed further...but not in the fanart section.
thats unnessisry milkshakess. this is no ones fight. if i do recall this is a public website, and i just happen to be voicing my opinion.
and if anyones being dumb here its you, so take JingleStansChibi's lead and call a truce
well yeah that last post is kind of a nut kicker :U
ill give it up but nee im still accostumed to my own opinion i still even have arguments but ill let it go =w=;
and just for the record...learn to please not sit there and randomly start insulting people... its not a good way to start a dispute *calls truce* |u
D:
this isnr even your fight
stay out of it please ):
it would be RETARDED to report.
no one is gonna go suicdal because of this so dont report, that'd be dumb P:
well yeah she made fun of my friend thankyou I:
yes i know exactly what anime is.
it is a term used to describe japanese animation in that particular style. your just mad cuz that stick up your ass is only happy that someone realizes it needs freed.
DUR~
so please stope being mean to people cuz they disagree...and yes this is hypocritacal just a bit but you need to chill I:
your not stating you opinion. your insulting people. there is a difference.
Srry Crimson but milkshake at first automatically called a person a dumb ass? When the person didn't flame cherry. Why can't they defend themselves? Milkshakes, please put a little more decency into what you say cause right now you sound like a bully who has nothing else to say. We just stated our opinions in this.
And in that Anime. That Show. Are the characters. I mean, thats like putting Spike from cowboy beebop into naruto. You'd put it in a crossover cause they are two creator's characters. And plus, characters are the things we draw for the anime. It'd only make since to put a other character you made for an anime into crossover since its your character. Not the creator of tokyo mew mew's. Or any other.
I said this in respect. Not in a offensive way.
JingleStansChibi, Milkshakess is just standing up for her friend! What, are we not allowed to do that? Leave her alone! It's not like she did anything to you! >:(
It's so stupid, that Cherri gets flamed for stating her opinion! I agree, so flame me all you want! Even if you disagree you should at least respect her opinion, because you can't change it and make it all better and go away if you say mean things! Be smart and think reasonably!
And leave Cherri alone! D:
well your character will never be the tokyo mewmew. ive never seen her in any official pictures now have i O:
shes in your own mind. simple as that. not in the anime.
you see...it says ANIME not ANIME ORIGINAL CHARACTERS.
original anime is forthose lovely characters that people create through thier imagination.
which includes original characters for anime.
oh and milkshakess...
pull that fucking stick out of your ass. im tired of people like you who need to insult others to try and prove your right I:
how about you go back to school and learn a little thing called "generosity."
she is allowed to state her opinion so deal the hell with it
cuz...we all know your not right when you insult...its just your coverup for your bad logic on this oc crap
CROSSOVER plz.
Its your original character + an anime's character. So its a cross over. You are just putting it in the actual serie's category cause it earns more publicity.
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/25/07 | Reply
Your right,I have no right to EDIT Tokyo Mew Mew.
I didn't create it at all.nope! But,I can create a fancharacter for it.
But putting it in original anime is basically saying "this is my anime,I made it all by myself"
yeah.
the anime.
not the character.
i'm going to keep on putting my mews and naruto OCs whever I want.
I respect your opinion,and I can see where everyone is coming from, but I would greatly appreciate that you would see where I am coming from as well.
I put I object because I'm weird like that.
okies?
its me
my opinion
my choices.
END
Sold my soul (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/25/07 | Reply
I respect cheeki's opinion.
But there is always gonna be someone who disagrees.
And that is moi.
If you respected me and my opinion then you wouldv'e stop pestering me about all this craptastic jibberish.
I never said for people to beleive me,I never said for people to stop agreeing with her.
stop putting words in my mouth that i didn't say because that is just plain rude.
I didn't flame cheeki-san or you about ANYTHING. I simply stated my opinion,and if you disagree...well,you disagree :]
END!
If cheeki made a picture with her opinion on it,why cant I?
Are you saying she has special rights because she's so god damn popular?
I'm crying out to be HEARD.
not to insult.
okay?
Cherri-chan, not to be rude, but doing this is just adding on to the problem. It's not like we absolutely have to agree with what Cheeki-sama said or what you said. She was just stating her opinion.^^ You are doing so as well, but more of trying to stop someone from having their opinion. If you have any "objections" it'd be better if you just pmed the her. Wouldn't that be easier than causing a commotion that is larger than it should be?^^" Also, you might want to watch your language, though this site made a CLEAR contract of having to be 13 years of age, there are still people who still come on younger than that age.
Both you and Cheeki have a point with your statements, but again, please make it less ...angry?^^"
This is just an art site and people come on to have fun and get constructive critcism for their artwork. If you don't agree with something, just ignore it and continue with your daily routine. I know I'm not exactly "avoiding" the subject either, but I just wanted to let you know of the situation that's happening. Please take into consideration.^^ Arigato.
Gomen nasai if I'm offending you. I'm just trying to help. TT~TT
--Sakurie
hmm....i agree with you totally! naruto is not my anime so my (naruto)characters should go under naruto. all though you didn't have to ah...over react so strongly. i think if our oc were ment to be placed in original i think theotaku officials would have done something all ready about it.....i wonder if something like this happens every summer.... also i think it is great to voice our opinions BUT no matter what we think we can't stop other people from doing there own thing. and if we were to say soething that was total outrages like america sucks (omega zero) we all have the right to click the little button that says report. and i have everyone know america rocks. and if you disagree keep it to your self.
okay.
i quote you.
''If its an OC for a category, EXAMPLE TOKYO MEW MEW.
Mew Cherri (my character)
I created her,her outfit and blah blah blah.
She is MY character...BUT!
She is made specifally for Tokyo Mew Mew,she fits into the anime Mia ikumi and Reiko Yoshida created.
I did nOT create tokyo mew mew.''
....exactly
you have no rights
it's not yours, it's never been close to and it never will
if you want, you can make characters for hte anime
but it's not FROM the anime
so it's not FROM tokyo mew mew
it's from YOU
YOU = original
YOU is not the whole tokyo mew mew development team
...and what kind of fastly drawn on paint fanart is that-_-
you could have made something better...
would have had more impact anyway
CriesOfchimera
...i sincerly hope you read this
me and my friend omega_zero have been drawing on original anime since we went on this site
if someone's never been heard, it's us
your comment just offended me, is that illegal?
oh yeah, and if i can't say what i want then check this.
Cherri rules and I totally support this movement because it effing rocks unlike you who is here to flame every three comments.
oh wow.
I'm sorry,
i probably delete that now
because I said what I wanted to.
omega zero and cherishock, not to be rude, but please move your conversation to PMing each other. it sounds more personal now, and should be moved away from the comments. please dont get mad at me for saying that!! i actually agree with both of you in a way.
but here's what i really wanted to say:
everyone should just STOP debating this and do your own thing. weather you agree of disagree, it's up to you, but just go do your own thing and stop wasting your time by commenting on this. no one is MAKING YOU go either way on this, it's all up to you. make your choice and stick with it, that's what i'm doing. if we just do that and stop all the "flames" then TheOtaku can be that PEACEFUL COMMUNTY again!! because weather or not you admit it, that's how we all like it. nice and peaceful, the way it usually is.
thank you for your time!!
~winds soul
Yes, yes, yes, and YES. I object too. I object with all my heart. Oh, and Omega Zero, the reason WE are taking it personally, is because we are never heard. CHEEKI may not have to YELL to be HEARD because she's so freaking popular, but to TELL us to throw our hard-worked ART into the OA, where it will never be NOTICED, put's us into a riot. Just because we aren't POPULAR, doesn't mean we will BEND to the popular and never be HEARD.
~Spread the Freedom
Seriously I still don't understand why people take all of this so personnaly. I hate how peoples like to flame simply because they don't agree, would you like me to flame all of you just because you like pie and I doesn't it just prove how understandless you all can be! We're an online community where we should all debate like grownups civilized persons, not throw insults at each others or make flaming arts just to prove our point like kindergarden kids! in a debate everyone must take someone else's opinion and debate it with our own arguments
In any way I disagre with this art. We live in a free country with the liberty of expression, but using the liberty of expression as an excuse to say whatever goes through our head even though it's plain rude an offensive is just stupid and retarded
I made my point and I also like being heard because I believe I can say pretty smart things sometime!
you know, i'm not bowing to her artistic skills, cheekisqurill's got a point, and agree with her, cheeki was just voicing her opinion, and i agree, your opion is different, mine is different from yours, just cuz you don't agree means you need you need to flame it with another piece of art, it just means you keep quiet or post in her comments that you don't agree, go ahead and flame me for this, i need all the flames i can get to make smores!
Pointless objection. Who said we had to agree with her? I agree simply becaus eI'm of the same mind with her. her art quality had nothing to do with it. you're being over reacting and take it way too personally. just relax and take in consideration that not everyone think like you.
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