Lol cheers for accidents!
Sometimes great things can come out,like penicilin or cooper :3 .
Perfectionism is always an art spoiler,somehow I think some of the greatest styles were ment to avoid that haha .
Hummm I donno where I left my magnus comment,I been writing to someone big comments all day haha!
Pah, I wasn't trying to change anything on Frost. I wanted that rendered perfectly because of the Magnus connection, but didn't have the skills/patience to do it. I was fighting to even finish the damn thing ~ glares at my mind ~ That is how I know I can't draw Magnus yet, the experience is traumatising ~ Laughs ~ That is why I hate that picture, I changed too much and it came out seriously wrong ~ Sighs ~ Kelsey came out better though definitely not perfect after reading all this ~ Laughs ~ Know that when I do these I strive for perfection, a picture rendered by me as it is shown, so anything else is an accident and is probably hated lol
It's actually an interesting fact,remember what I tld you about the "making a copy problem?" .Imagine there was a mistake or a disadvantage at the original photography,then you will have the same disadvantage on the artwork.For this kind of picture a long hair work would worked better due to the high angle.Iron will poster haves her hair short, so it's actually something that gives u a bit of disadvanatge at drawing hair that folds to the back near the ear(it's very hard to draw that) .
Doesn't have to do with your execution of the picture(that was good).But what made your other picture something else was that you changed some details to aproach a more cubist style,and that was just great!
About the earthquake,it was just one but not so bad haha!
Angel
Last edited by AngelBest Dream at 2:17:47 PM CDT on July 4, 2010.
I just looked at the Frost and Kelsey pictures and I have to say I still think this one is much much better, is that your view or do you see it the other way around?
I admit that this one probably needs a little refining and a deepening of colour which I halted because it was late and I wanted to submit it before leaving to come here (dad's) but other than that I love this picture ~ Stares and shakes head ~ I guess I am baffled how it has worked out this way ~ Sighs ~ Can you try and explain it more in a nicer way which I can absorb without becoming defensive? Is it because of the angles? Frost is much more face on so I guess things look more aligned (except the eyes ~ Groans ~) but because of the angles of Kel's camera holding this one is slightly tilted and so things fade out before they maybe should to common conventions, is that it why people don't like this one as much as Frost?
I am just trying to understand because I am genuinely clueless here ~ Sighs ~
Wow no idea how that feels (I have only been in one and I think it was a 3. something and felt like a train passing) but I hope you are okay and nothing was damaged. Is this the second you have had recently, this can't be the same mentioned before can it? ~ Stares ~ That is actually quite concerning, are you near a fault line? I really hope they stop ~ Monster hugs ~
Yeah but I was also thinking in a Hatsune miku hairstyle ,just picture if falling to you back and making some crazy 3-D effect.I was thinking Steph would join the random chat haha.It's fun to be able to chat with you,strangely in Steph's art haha!
O wow Steph it's gona take me a long time to answer all those comments.For fast lets say hummm there was a 6.7 earthquake in the middle on the night that scared me ,well it was not so strung but I woke up and was like WT.... ?
Aww, why thank you. :) Haha, it isn't that easy! Lol trust me. XD I take a ton of pics before I'm satisfied enough with one to post it. I really don't like pictures of me at all. I always think I look ugly in them. DX But thank you so much for thinking otherwise and for drawing this of me! I'd hate to draw myself cause I don't like looking at the pic of myself for that long. ^^;;;; *low self-esteem*
Thank you again though.
Yup, backgrounds are the devil. Seriously. My new wall is different though! XD Cause I actually did the bg first and really loved how it turned out (those clouds), and then I had to find a scan to paint/vector to go with that! It's always the opposite. I didn't work on it today, but you know I'm having trouble with her hair!
Did you check the reference? Things are pretty similar to what they were like in that ~ Smiles ~ She is angled down holding the camera slightly above herself and tilting her head to the side which is why the eyes and lips are slightly off centre or whatever it is ~ Smiles ~
Thanks for the comment anyway, though I would say I have digressed not improved since my last picture got way better reviews than this one, I am guessing it is because I liked this too much when I was doing it lol XD
I added the link right after posting the last comment since I wanted to make sure I didn't forget. I put it right at the top so hopefully it is the one thing people notice ~ laughs and monster hugs ~ I still think you have awesome hair, hell you take awesome pictures, it seems way more natural for you than me, it takes me ages to take a picture I like ~ groans ~ Thanks again though for letting me do this and I hope you don't regret the decision now you have seen the end result lol
I remember reading about your hatred of backgrounds, they always turn out so amazing though that we wouldn't know ~ Monster hugs ~ I love seeing what you come up with when you do your wallies, is the new ones coming along well for you or is it causing annoyance? XD
Yeah! So feel free to add the link I gave you before. ^_^ Yup, I was talking about the hair, but like I said, you really did get it right. Lol. I don't even know my own hair!! XD
Rushed? Well, I still think it turned out great. Whenever you find some extra time, if you want, you can just work on it some more. :) It doesn't need a bg. I agree that backgrounds are always really tough! XD Most of my drawings have none (i can't stand them), and when I make wallpapers, that's always the toughest part for me, too. :/ So don't fret on it.
I do like the folds in the clothing and the hair ^_^ I do. My only criticism would be that the lips are a bit farther down the face then they should be. Lips are hard anyway though, I don't always get them right. I see that you are improving on them, so keep it up!
You must like drawing near the window lol that's neat. I try to draw in different places but I always end up at my desk. Which gets tiring after a while XD
Elephants next door, oh my! Hahaha they must be really loud? O.O
I think I shall have to add the picture of you to it so people know you really do look like that ~ Laughs ~ I actually added slightly more hair as I went on because I couldn't get the styling right, but because you are leaning sideways most is out of shot hence the oddness on that side :)
I am relieved to know you didn't mean a background, I still am not overly keen on those. Heck until I read this I hadn't even thought of doing one with it just being a patio and stuff but maybe it would have evened stuff out. Oh well, thanks for the clarification and sorry it was a little rushed (it keeps feeling more rushed each time I think on it ~ Groans ~ Ahh the wonders of artwork ~ Sighs ~)
Oh, I didn't say a thing about the backgrounds lol! I think it's fine. ^_^ You don't need to add the bg at all. :) I was just talking about my hair on the left. But now that I look at the photo of me...you do have it spot on really. XD I kept thinking I had more hair showing on that side, but I guess not lol! So don't worry about anything. You did such a great job, and I love it. ^^ There's no need to have a bg at all~~ Thank you again, Steph. :) *hugs*
After the drama of backgrounds I didn't bother. That and in truth I feel I was rushing this at the end because of this weekend and next week I wasn't sure when I would next get time to work on things and I wanted it done and submitted so I could do something for my mum whose birthday is Friday. I will probably work on backgrounds more in the future when I have more free days, but for now and for this I needed something to get drawing and so was the end result. If ever do go back (which I think I might back I am not 100% pleased with it hence the rushed feeling) I will probably add the patio and things you have in the background, but we shall see I don't want to ruin what I have by adding more, not yet anyway :(
With the lines I am like this with typing. I taught myself how to type without touch typing so while I can type really quick, I can't see the screen, but because I can type quick without looking up learning backwards is hard. it is the same with art. I have taught myself how to do things this way and I think it is going to be a trial and error thing to learning about the face. I used them on the last picture but I hated that one and since I liked this without them I never bothered to use them. But we shall see. I do know of them if it ever comes up and has to be used, but this worked on for my mind without them so I kept them off :)
Ahh I wasn't sure what your facebook settings were with regards to people who aren't members seeing your pictures (I know you can block it if you want) but now you have said this I shall add the link probably at dad's since I should be getting a bus sometime (really doesn't want to go but has to because my grandparents said they will meet me ~ Sighs ~)
Anyway I am pleased with how the glasses turned out too. Yours are the first I have ever actually spent time drawing. I don't know what i used to do with mine but I barely remember working on them so they must have looked crap. oh and I love how your hair curls, you hair itself is just awesome, and your eyelashes. It was nice to have a picture where I could actually see eyelashes, yours is the first for that too.
many thanks again for letting me do this and I am glad you recognised yourself in it ~ Coughs ~ That is the danger of personal styles, they change things ~ Tuts ~
I just distracted myself ~ groans and tries to remember what I was going to say ~
Ahh that was it: I am glad you didn't do the whole comment in capitals, that would have got annoying ~ cracks up ~ definitely made it the most eye-catching thing to read in the theO list thing ~ Groans ~ I need to learn terminology.
I think I will have to put this and yours together to see which I liked best now, I did like this though all the doubts came back after submission, my scanner did a number on it ~ Rolls eyes ~ Thanks though for what you said about the eyes ~ dances ~ I like eyes, with hair they have to be my favourite bits to draw ~ Dances ~
I look forward to seeing art from you sometime, or T-Bear, his is going to be epic the amount of time that has passed since you told me he was doing it is any indication lol
Thanks, angel!! *hugs* You're so nice. :) Yup, she did really well! Though I do agree with the hair part. I was going to say that, too, but I've gotten yelled at when I gave suggestions before. XD *hides* But I do agree, Steph! I love how you did my hair, but on the left side, there should be some more in back...otherwise my head seems cut short lol! Thanks again, angel. Great job again, Steph~~ *hugs*
I'm writing this as a reply to Kels because I wanted her to read the comment as well.I could just say "Iron will posterrr" when I saw the image.You really captured her soo well Steph yeah.Great picture,I would liked even more if kels had her side hair longer in order to fall in the back,in terms of 3-D it would added something extra dont you think Kels?
My fav part,of couse the glasses,they are 100% perfect.
Ah, very nice! You're definitely getting adventurous! I think it would be safe to say that a few years ago, you'd not even try to do this stuff, eh?
My positive criticism: Try to get a feel for the "anatomy" or structure of the face. Drawing those lines to show where the eyes and nose should goes really helps!
Hey steph!! *hugs* Wow, you finished!! :) First off, feel free to link to my picture. ^^ http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=234247&l=74346aa5bf&id=100000530492800 So then they can compare or whatever! Anyhoo, you did a great job! I think you did an awesome job with my hair. My hair does curl oddly...I'm not a fan of my random curling. XD I prefer it straightened. Anyhoo!! What I love most is the glasses. They look exactly like them! O__O And I do agree you did a great job with the lips~~ Hehe. <3 The eyes, fantabulous as well. ^__^ Thanks so much for this drawing of me!! *hugs*
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/05/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
Lol cheers for accidents!
Sometimes great things can come out,like penicilin or cooper :3 .
Perfectionism is always an art spoiler,somehow I think some of the greatest styles were ment to avoid that haha .
Hummm I donno where I left my magnus comment,I been writing to someone big comments all day haha!
Angel
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/05/10 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
Pah, I wasn't trying to change anything on Frost. I wanted that rendered perfectly because of the Magnus connection, but didn't have the skills/patience to do it. I was fighting to even finish the damn thing ~ glares at my mind ~ That is how I know I can't draw Magnus yet, the experience is traumatising ~ Laughs ~ That is why I hate that picture, I changed too much and it came out seriously wrong ~ Sighs ~ Kelsey came out better though definitely not perfect after reading all this ~ Laughs ~ Know that when I do these I strive for perfection, a picture rendered by me as it is shown, so anything else is an accident and is probably hated lol
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/04/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
It's actually an interesting fact,remember what I tld you about the "making a copy problem?" .Imagine there was a mistake or a disadvantage at the original photography,then you will have the same disadvantage on the artwork.For this kind of picture a long hair work would worked better due to the high angle.Iron will poster haves her hair short, so it's actually something that gives u a bit of disadvanatge at drawing hair that folds to the back near the ear(it's very hard to draw that) .
Doesn't have to do with your execution of the picture(that was good).But what made your other picture something else was that you changed some details to aproach a more cubist style,and that was just great!
About the earthquake,it was just one but not so bad haha!
Angel
Last edited by AngelBest Dream at 2:17:47 PM CDT on July 4, 2010.
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/04/10 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
Soz you get a second reply.
I just looked at the Frost and Kelsey pictures and I have to say I still think this one is much much better, is that your view or do you see it the other way around?
I admit that this one probably needs a little refining and a deepening of colour which I halted because it was late and I wanted to submit it before leaving to come here (dad's) but other than that I love this picture ~ Stares and shakes head ~ I guess I am baffled how it has worked out this way ~ Sighs ~ Can you try and explain it more in a nicer way which I can absorb without becoming defensive? Is it because of the angles? Frost is much more face on so I guess things look more aligned (except the eyes ~ Groans ~) but because of the angles of Kel's camera holding this one is slightly tilted and so things fade out before they maybe should to common conventions, is that it why people don't like this one as much as Frost?
I am just trying to understand because I am genuinely clueless here ~ Sighs ~
Thanks anyway,
Dranz
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/04/10 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
Wow no idea how that feels (I have only been in one and I think it was a 3. something and felt like a train passing) but I hope you are okay and nothing was damaged. Is this the second you have had recently, this can't be the same mentioned before can it? ~ Stares ~ That is actually quite concerning, are you near a fault line? I really hope they stop ~ Monster hugs ~
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
Yeah but I was also thinking in a Hatsune miku hairstyle ,just picture if falling to you back and making some crazy 3-D effect.I was thinking Steph would join the random chat haha.It's fun to be able to chat with you,strangely in Steph's art haha!
O wow Steph it's gona take me a long time to answer all those comments.For fast lets say hummm there was a 6.7 earthquake in the middle on the night that scared me ,well it was not so strung but I woke up and was like WT.... ?
Angel
corn
I'm a veggie, dawg (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
I didn't see the reference lol, it is kind of difficult to see the angle it was pointing. Lol I didn't mean to offend or anything ^^;;
Angel Zakuro
bird nerd. (Otaku Angel) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
Aww, why thank you. :) Haha, it isn't that easy! Lol trust me. XD I take a ton of pics before I'm satisfied enough with one to post it. I really don't like pictures of me at all. I always think I look ugly in them. DX But thank you so much for thinking otherwise and for drawing this of me! I'd hate to draw myself cause I don't like looking at the pic of myself for that long. ^^;;;; *low self-esteem*
Thank you again though.
Yup, backgrounds are the devil. Seriously. My new wall is different though! XD Cause I actually did the bg first and really loved how it turned out (those clouds), and then I had to find a scan to paint/vector to go with that! It's always the opposite. I didn't work on it today, but you know I'm having trouble with her hair!
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@corn:
Hey Corn,
Did you check the reference? Things are pretty similar to what they were like in that ~ Smiles ~ She is angled down holding the camera slightly above herself and tilting her head to the side which is why the eyes and lips are slightly off centre or whatever it is ~ Smiles ~
Thanks for the comment anyway, though I would say I have digressed not improved since my last picture got way better reviews than this one, I am guessing it is because I liked this too much when I was doing it lol XD
All the best,
Dranz
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
Hey Kels,
I added the link right after posting the last comment since I wanted to make sure I didn't forget. I put it right at the top so hopefully it is the one thing people notice ~ laughs and monster hugs ~ I still think you have awesome hair, hell you take awesome pictures, it seems way more natural for you than me, it takes me ages to take a picture I like ~ groans ~ Thanks again though for letting me do this and I hope you don't regret the decision now you have seen the end result lol
I remember reading about your hatred of backgrounds, they always turn out so amazing though that we wouldn't know ~ Monster hugs ~ I love seeing what you come up with when you do your wallies, is the new ones coming along well for you or is it causing annoyance? XD
Angel Zakuro
bird nerd. (Otaku Angel) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
Yeah! So feel free to add the link I gave you before. ^_^ Yup, I was talking about the hair, but like I said, you really did get it right. Lol. I don't even know my own hair!! XD
Rushed? Well, I still think it turned out great. Whenever you find some extra time, if you want, you can just work on it some more. :) It doesn't need a bg. I agree that backgrounds are always really tough! XD Most of my drawings have none (i can't stand them), and when I make wallpapers, that's always the toughest part for me, too. :/ So don't fret on it.
*hugs*
corn
I'm a veggie, dawg (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
I do like the folds in the clothing and the hair ^_^ I do. My only criticism would be that the lips are a bit farther down the face then they should be. Lips are hard anyway though, I don't always get them right. I see that you are improving on them, so keep it up!
You must like drawing near the window lol that's neat. I try to draw in different places but I always end up at my desk. Which gets tiring after a while XD
Elephants next door, oh my! Hahaha they must be really loud? O.O
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
I think I shall have to add the picture of you to it so people know you really do look like that ~ Laughs ~ I actually added slightly more hair as I went on because I couldn't get the styling right, but because you are leaning sideways most is out of shot hence the oddness on that side :)
I am relieved to know you didn't mean a background, I still am not overly keen on those. Heck until I read this I hadn't even thought of doing one with it just being a patio and stuff but maybe it would have evened stuff out. Oh well, thanks for the clarification and sorry it was a little rushed (it keeps feeling more rushed each time I think on it ~ Groans ~ Ahh the wonders of artwork ~ Sighs ~)
All the best,
Dranz
Angel Zakuro
bird nerd. (Otaku Angel) | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Magnus Lensherr:
Oh, I didn't say a thing about the backgrounds lol! I think it's fine. ^_^ You don't need to add the bg at all. :) I was just talking about my hair on the left. But now that I look at the photo of me...you do have it spot on really. XD I kept thinking I had more hair showing on that side, but I guess not lol! So don't worry about anything. You did such a great job, and I love it. ^^ There's no need to have a bg at all~~ Thank you again, Steph. :) *hugs*
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
After the drama of backgrounds I didn't bother. That and in truth I feel I was rushing this at the end because of this weekend and next week I wasn't sure when I would next get time to work on things and I wanted it done and submitted so I could do something for my mum whose birthday is Friday. I will probably work on backgrounds more in the future when I have more free days, but for now and for this I needed something to get drawing and so was the end result. If ever do go back (which I think I might back I am not 100% pleased with it hence the rushed feeling) I will probably add the patio and things you have in the background, but we shall see I don't want to ruin what I have by adding more, not yet anyway :(
Dranz
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@twilight samurai:
With the lines I am like this with typing. I taught myself how to type without touch typing so while I can type really quick, I can't see the screen, but because I can type quick without looking up learning backwards is hard. it is the same with art. I have taught myself how to do things this way and I think it is going to be a trial and error thing to learning about the face. I used them on the last picture but I hated that one and since I liked this without them I never bothered to use them. But we shall see. I do know of them if it ever comes up and has to be used, but this worked on for my mind without them so I kept them off :)
Thanks anyway for the critique!
Dranz
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
Hey Kels,
Ahh I wasn't sure what your facebook settings were with regards to people who aren't members seeing your pictures (I know you can block it if you want) but now you have said this I shall add the link probably at dad's since I should be getting a bus sometime (really doesn't want to go but has to because my grandparents said they will meet me ~ Sighs ~)
Anyway I am pleased with how the glasses turned out too. Yours are the first I have ever actually spent time drawing. I don't know what i used to do with mine but I barely remember working on them so they must have looked crap. oh and I love how your hair curls, you hair itself is just awesome, and your eyelashes. It was nice to have a picture where I could actually see eyelashes, yours is the first for that too.
many thanks again for letting me do this and I am glad you recognised yourself in it ~ Coughs ~ That is the danger of personal styles, they change things ~ Tuts ~
All the best XD
Dranz
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 07/03/10 | Reply
@:
Hey again Gakusei ~ grins ~
I just distracted myself ~ groans and tries to remember what I was going to say ~
Ahh that was it: I am glad you didn't do the whole comment in capitals, that would have got annoying ~ cracks up ~ definitely made it the most eye-catching thing to read in the theO list thing ~ Groans ~ I need to learn terminology.
I think I will have to put this and yours together to see which I liked best now, I did like this though all the doubts came back after submission, my scanner did a number on it ~ Rolls eyes ~ Thanks though for what you said about the eyes ~ dances ~ I like eyes, with hair they have to be my favourite bits to draw ~ Dances ~
I look forward to seeing art from you sometime, or T-Bear, his is going to be epic the amount of time that has passed since you told me he was doing it is any indication lol
Domo arigato Gakusei ~ Bows ~
Dranz
Angel Zakuro
bird nerd. (Otaku Angel) | Posted 07/02/10 | Reply
@Bazinga:
Thanks, angel!! *hugs* You're so nice. :) Yup, she did really well! Though I do agree with the hair part. I was going to say that, too, but I've gotten yelled at when I gave suggestions before. XD *hides* But I do agree, Steph! I love how you did my hair, but on the left side, there should be some more in back...otherwise my head seems cut short lol! Thanks again, angel. Great job again, Steph~~ *hugs*
Bazinga
Otakuite++ | Posted 07/02/10 | Reply
@Angel Zakuro:
I'm writing this as a reply to Kels because I wanted her to read the comment as well.I could just say "Iron will posterrr" when I saw the image.You really captured her soo well Steph yeah.Great picture,I would liked even more if kels had her side hair longer in order to fall in the back,in terms of 3-D it would added something extra dont you think Kels?
My fav part,of couse the glasses,they are 100% perfect.
Angel
twilight samurai
Redeemed (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 07/02/10 | Reply
Ah, very nice! You're definitely getting adventurous! I think it would be safe to say that a few years ago, you'd not even try to do this stuff, eh?
My positive criticism: Try to get a feel for the "anatomy" or structure of the face. Drawing those lines to show where the eyes and nose should goes really helps!
Great job!
Angel Zakuro
bird nerd. (Otaku Angel) | Posted 07/02/10 | Reply
Hey steph!! *hugs* Wow, you finished!! :) First off, feel free to link to my picture. ^^ http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=234247&l=74346aa5bf&id=100000530492800 So then they can compare or whatever! Anyhoo, you did a great job! I think you did an awesome job with my hair. My hair does curl oddly...I'm not a fan of my random curling. XD I prefer it straightened. Anyhoo!! What I love most is the glasses. They look exactly like them! O__O And I do agree you did a great job with the lips~~ Hehe. <3 The eyes, fantabulous as well. ^__^ Thanks so much for this drawing of me!! *hugs*