That's the interesting thing: not only does the Bible say "thou shalt not kill," but also, as human beings, there's a natural law that we've all got "written" inside us. Deep down, we instinctively know that killing people is evil. What boggles my mind is how some people seem to ignore that natural law and decide to kill people anyways -_-
I might be interested in crime, but I've never heard of Kermit Gosnell, but I looked him up and now I know who he is.
Anyway, I'm not really really sure if this is true,
but The Son Of Sam (David Berkowitz) apparently turned his life around in prison and is now a Christian.
Sure, people can claim that he's just lying to make himself look good, but you know, I honestly think he's telling the truth.
That's just one example, but you get the point.
I dunno, I just find it difficult to want someone dead.
Which, actually, isn't really a bad thing really,
I mean, if you want people to get killed, there's obviously a problem.
Also, I'm Christian, but I'm pretty sure
the bible says that killing anyone is bad,
but do people really need a book to tell them that?
Lombax of Earth (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
I agree, governments shouldn't just kill prisoners because it's in their power to do so. I'm Roman Catholic, and according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2267 on the page), the death penalty is only permissible as a last resort effort if the criminal is a serious threat to the safety and well-being of society and nothing else can be done to keep people safe... also, the criminal's guilt has to have been "fully determined". Given all this, I don't think these cases happen too often. Besides, like you said, giving a life sentence means there's always a chance for repentance and the criminal turning his/her life around.
But other than that--and obviously those cases are rare--I feel like a majority of serious crimes that could otherwise get the death penalty should just be life sentences. Heck, I'm happy Kermit Gosnell got a life sentence; maybe through some miracle he'll realize just what sick things he was doing.
And hey, anime and life issues aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, art itself (since this is essentially an art site) often touches upon or brings to light grave matters. So yeah, this isn't out of place. It's heavy and thought-provoking, but not out of place.
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"this is a website made for anime and stuff,
but yet, here I am doing comics about crime and real life issues."
And I love you for it!
My brain might be a bit screwed up at how I see this issue.
I've never really seen it quite like that...
And yet I can not put into words how I see it XD
I guess I only see Killing wrong in certain occasions.
I like your comics and thoughts. I like anything that can get people thinking ^^
Wow. That looked daunting when I saw it again XD Hope you can muddle your way through all that.
But seriously that was a great question. You should try taking a debate class in school. I think you'd enjoy stretching your brain in those ways. Others of us not so much XD
You sound just like one of my friends. She loves debating me around in logical circles @.@ Those facial expressions made me laugh XD
As an answer to your question, I'd like to put forward several considerations. Of course, you are free to disagree.
1) My first and most controversial argument: I believe there is a God, and in his commands he it was allowable to put to death people who murdered others (though there are also instances where he showed mercy).
2) If there is no punishment for an action, people will continue to do it even if it is morally wrong. Though I realize you're not saying there should be no punishment; you're simply suggesting we should keep them in jail.
3) And this last one is from my criminal justice background. Who pays for these people to stay in jails for a lifetime? I, the taxpayer, do. Why should I pay for someone's housing for the rest of their lives when they killed someone? I understand it's our system to pay for the services of a jail, which is needed, but I still don't like the thought of paying for a murder's room and board.
4) The prison systems themselves are already extremely crowded because of the trend of locking up people rather than giving them bail. Quite a few prisons have terrible overcrowding issues and it takes a lot of money (again, my tax dollars) to keep a prison running. The system just can't keep up with the amount of offenders we're jailing and the people that are already in there. I'm not saying that killing off all the people on death row would give us enough room (because it wouldn't), but I'm saying that putting them in jail might not be the best idea.
5) While I agree that some people can change in prison the statistics show that reoffenders are very high. And that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to change people, but we have to realize the limits.
6) A last consideration: Very few people actually die from the death penalty. It often takes many years of court battles and going to higher courts before that's settled. And then it takes years before the person is actually put to death. It's not like boom, you're accused of a crime and the court accidentally makes a mistake. All well, too late you're being killed off tomorrow. That's what the court of appeals is for. So that we can correct mistakes we make. All that said we are not perfect and it's a terrible thing that any innocent person should be killed. There's that saying 'We'd rather 10 guilty go free than 1 innocent be condemned.
Wow, so that was a lot but it was a very interesting topic to bring up ^^b Maybe you should start a world and post debate stuff like this? Just a thought.
Let me know if you (or anyone else) has a disagreement! There's sure to be some ;)
ForeverOtaku
Otaku Legend | Posted 10/23/13 | Reply
That is so true! What's the point executing prisoners if we're trying to teach everyone that killing is BAD?!
I like rainbows and clouds.
~Ri-chan
CelestialSushi
Lombax of Earth (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/09/13 | Reply
@TrueStory:
That's the interesting thing: not only does the Bible say "thou shalt not kill," but also, as human beings, there's a natural law that we've all got "written" inside us. Deep down, we instinctively know that killing people is evil. What boggles my mind is how some people seem to ignore that natural law and decide to kill people anyways -_-
HotRamen2Go009
Agent Ramen (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/09/13 | Reply
@TrueStory:
True...that would be even more mess up if we start killing people for being who they are... the world would end there
later
TrueStory
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/09/13 | Reply
@HotRamen2Go009:
I agree that the system does have issues,
but it could be worse.
We could kill people just because they're homosexual.
Which, I obviously don't agree with.
TrueStory
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/09/13 | Reply
@MagikSalem:
Thank you.
TrueStory
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/09/13 | Reply
@CelestialSushi:
I might be interested in crime, but I've never heard of Kermit Gosnell, but I looked him up and now I know who he is.
Anyway, I'm not really really sure if this is true,
but The Son Of Sam (David Berkowitz) apparently turned his life around in prison and is now a Christian.
Sure, people can claim that he's just lying to make himself look good, but you know, I honestly think he's telling the truth.
That's just one example, but you get the point.
I dunno, I just find it difficult to want someone dead.
Which, actually, isn't really a bad thing really,
I mean, if you want people to get killed, there's obviously a problem.
Also, I'm Christian, but I'm pretty sure
the bible says that killing anyone is bad,
but do people really need a book to tell them that?
CelestialSushi
Lombax of Earth (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
I agree, governments shouldn't just kill prisoners because it's in their power to do so. I'm Roman Catholic, and according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2267 on the page), the death penalty is only permissible as a last resort effort if the criminal is a serious threat to the safety and well-being of society and nothing else can be done to keep people safe... also, the criminal's guilt has to have been "fully determined". Given all this, I don't think these cases happen too often. Besides, like you said, giving a life sentence means there's always a chance for repentance and the criminal turning his/her life around.
But other than that--and obviously those cases are rare--I feel like a majority of serious crimes that could otherwise get the death penalty should just be life sentences. Heck, I'm happy Kermit Gosnell got a life sentence; maybe through some miracle he'll realize just what sick things he was doing.
And hey, anime and life issues aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, art itself (since this is essentially an art site) often touches upon or brings to light grave matters. So yeah, this isn't out of place. It's heavy and thought-provoking, but not out of place.
Last edited by CelestialSushi at 12:49:58 AM EDT on June 9, 2013.
MagikSalem
Raving Lunatic (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
"this is a website made for anime and stuff,
but yet, here I am doing comics about crime and real life issues."
And I love you for it!
My brain might be a bit screwed up at how I see this issue.
I've never really seen it quite like that...
And yet I can not put into words how I see it XD
I guess I only see Killing wrong in certain occasions.
I like your comics and thoughts. I like anything that can get people thinking ^^
HotRamen2Go009
Agent Ramen (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
The system is mess up.... is there really such thing as justice...? Nice comic though :)
silvershriek
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
@TrueStory:
Very true. Either way it's no happy ending :[
TrueStory
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
@silvershriek:
I can totally see where you're coming from.
You did make some very good points,
such as us paying for tax dollars.
I guess in both ways, nothing good comes out of it. :/
silvershriek
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
Wow. That looked daunting when I saw it again XD Hope you can muddle your way through all that.
But seriously that was a great question. You should try taking a debate class in school. I think you'd enjoy stretching your brain in those ways.
Others of us not so much XDsilvershriek
Otaku Legend | Posted 06/08/13 | Reply
You sound just like one of my friends. She loves debating me around in logical circles @.@ Those facial expressions made me laugh XD
As an answer to your question, I'd like to put forward several considerations. Of course, you are free to disagree.
1) My first and most controversial argument: I believe there is a God, and in his commands he it was allowable to put to death people who murdered others (though there are also instances where he showed mercy).
2) If there is no punishment for an action, people will continue to do it even if it is morally wrong. Though I realize you're not saying there should be no punishment; you're simply suggesting we should keep them in jail.
3) And this last one is from my criminal justice background. Who pays for these people to stay in jails for a lifetime? I, the taxpayer, do. Why should I pay for someone's housing for the rest of their lives when they killed someone? I understand it's our system to pay for the services of a jail, which is needed, but I still don't like the thought of paying for a murder's room and board.
4) The prison systems themselves are already extremely crowded because of the trend of locking up people rather than giving them bail. Quite a few prisons have terrible overcrowding issues and it takes a lot of money (again, my tax dollars) to keep a prison running. The system just can't keep up with the amount of offenders we're jailing and the people that are already in there. I'm not saying that killing off all the people on death row would give us enough room (because it wouldn't), but I'm saying that putting them in jail might not be the best idea.
5) While I agree that some people can change in prison the statistics show that reoffenders are very high. And that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to change people, but we have to realize the limits.
6) A last consideration: Very few people actually die from the death penalty. It often takes many years of court battles and going to higher courts before that's settled. And then it takes years before the person is actually put to death. It's not like boom, you're accused of a crime and the court accidentally makes a mistake. All well, too late you're being killed off tomorrow. That's what the court of appeals is for. So that we can correct mistakes we make. All that said we are not perfect and it's a terrible thing that any innocent person should be killed. There's that saying 'We'd rather 10 guilty go free than 1 innocent be condemned.
Wow, so that was a lot but it was a very interesting topic to bring up ^^b Maybe you should start a world and post debate stuff like this? Just a thought.
Let me know if you (or anyone else) has a disagreement! There's sure to be some ;)