I'm not sure if you really needed to post this, but I can understand why you felt you had to. It's hard to own up to when we make a mistake and though it may seem like overkill, it's often best to fully understand (if only for yourself) why it was a mistake and how important it is acknowledge that.
I'm glad you say this is over with, because if you post again... like the others at that point I'll whack you with a pillow. =P
It's not often that I log in to find lots of updates from you. o_O Uh... I think this has all been hashed out in the comments already. So... I'm gonna follow Rach's example and simply post this:
Serious Allamorph is... Serious. And since I already know you tend to be through like this... I'll just add something unrelated to the topic. Squirrel Later.
Remind me to tell you about my uncle later on. And I urge you, please don't cry for me. This post has made me feel the best I have in days. I am very much at peace with myself.
That is what worried me. That you were going overboard and weren't at peace. ._. If you've moved on, then that's all I need to know.
Doesn't mean I don't want to whack you with a pillow. I know it's not intentional, but your method of being so detailed can come across as overkill.
Anyway... *gives you a cookie instead*
Last edited by SunfallE at 12:18:25 AM EST on February 9, 2009.
Or rather, we will once you get off your high horse and stop punishing yourself over one freakout.
I refuse to casually dismiss failure of this kind for myself. That's who I am. This is just one of the few times I have spoken openly about such refusal.
I simply do not agree with the concept that one should always be so in control of their emotions that they never get angry.
That's not the point. I get aggravated all the time. It's a normal human response. But how I dealt with my anger this time was inappropriate. It is my reactions that should be under my control.
Remind me to tell you about my uncle later on. And I urge you, please don't cry for me. This post has made me feel the best I have in days. I am very much at peace with myself.
Let’s put this another way since I feel like this is kind of directed to me.
Mmm, not so much. Your quote was simply the easiest to use because it spoke the most directly to the sentiment in question.
Something you'll come to learn about me is that I'm either completely out of my mind or completely serious. And when I am serious, I am thorough. (I'm sure that my occasional Lounge epistles have been more than enough indicator. Heck, check back to when I first joined the boards, and you'll see me start into multiple pages by at least the fifth post I ever made.)
The reasons I was so careful to outline this to you guys are because first I feel you deserve to know the why of my decisions, and second because I believe you all are capable of understanding. Key phrase in the second paragraph: "fiasco is behind me now". I have moved on. But that point of contention remained, and I felt the need to address it.
As for forgiveness: I already have it, temporally from God as well as from all of you, which I most certainly did not miss. (And for which I am very grateful. ^_^) So I'm not sitting around berating myself for screwing up. I'm simply recognising that I failed and, while understanding that I will do so again, refusing to let that knowledge undermine future vigilance against it.
It might seem like you're being too hard on yourself, but I can totally understand why you wanted to show us the basis for how you govern your actions. I also do my best to live my life with those verses in mind.
We who truly view ourselves as Christians shape our moral values around the principles found in the Scriptures. Our actions play a large part of whether we're becoming imitators of Christ. Jesus himself stated in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness." Verse 24 of James chapter 2 ends with the phrase "faith without works is dead." So, we should behave as people claiming to follow the Christ for it have any real meaning.
Many people don't like hearing this. They don't want to think that their actions should be governed by anyone but themselves. They are more than entitled to that opinion.
I understand you want to control your anger. I approve of that mindset. We don't want people getting a "holier than thou" vibe, though. I personally didn't get that feeling from this post, but apparently some others did. *shrug* I hope you feel more satisfied about how you react to things that could anger you in the future.
...
Yesterday the weather was ideal. Today - not so much. =(
Miss Anonymous: ARE YOU CALLING THE PLIGHT OF PIZZA EVERYWHERE STUPID?!?!? >:O
Vagrant AI (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
... whoa, dude.
First off, I agree with the message you're trying to convey here, with the whole "Christians should practice what they preach" deal. But, seriously, did you need to take five pages just to say that? I think we all would've understood and firmly agreed if you had left it to one or two paragraphs.
Just sayin', follow your own advice when you say that this is between you and God; if it's such a private matter, then don't post it on your world.
I'm going to stop commenting on posts like these from now on, because quite honestly they're beginning to annoy.
oO Everyone has long posts today. Uh... didn't you already say this in less words in your previous post? o_o I get that you know it's wrong to get mad, you don't have to explain.
~Sarah
Last edited by Selene Shri at 6:12:36 PM EST on February 8, 2009.
Baron of Terribad (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I agree with Des. Some of the reactions to this post are a bit confusing to me, although I do somewhat understand where people are coming from, as Alla's friends.
(I am evaluating the post from my perspective, of course, so I apologize if I misconstrue it in any way. Feel free to correct me if something I write does not jive with your true thoughts.)
Nowhere in this post did I get the idea that by being a Christian, Alla expects himself to be above being human, or equal to God. (Maybe it is the "Christ-like" that gives people that impression? I don't know. "Similar to" is not the same as "equal," however.) He does not expect perfection. What he does expect, though, is that his actions should reflect his faith as best they can.
He writes it himself: "My words should support my declaration; I should not blow up and scream and curse simply because I feel like it." There are most definitely times to be angry and rise to action. But he does not believe the actions that led to this post warranted the amount of anger he let loose. And as Des writes, although anger is a part of human nature, and Alla's feelings can be forgiven, it does not make the initial action right in any way.
I am not a Christian, but I can relate to the need to look within oneself and re-evaluate one's code of conduct. Just as an example: I am good at dealing with my siblings, for the most part. I am calm, happy and get along with them well. Sometimes, however, one of them might do something absolutely annoying (and with the knowledge that it is annoying), and I might snap at him or her. I will apologize afterward, of course, and my siblings will usually forgive me. But there is still a need to look inside myself, know why what I did was wrong and try to correct it in the future. I don't think it's taking the wrongdoing "too seriously" -- it is just part of a learning process.
Last edited by Shinmaru at 6:41:08 PM EST on February 8, 2009.
Abundant Love (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I don't want to speak for Allamorph, but I think people are misunderstanding this post. I don't get the impression that he's condemning himself or saying he should be perfect, just that he's making it clear that he views what he did as a mistake and he's treating it as such instead of simply brushing it off and acting like it was okay. I mean, if someone gets into a fist fight people don't say, "Well, he's only human, he's entitled to get angry sometimes," and act like it's fine. It's a similar sort of situation here only the actions in question obviously aren't as severe.
Being angry also isn't the issue. Everyone gets angry at times, regardless of how in control of their emotions they are, and that is simply human nature. There's nothing wrong with that in itself. It's what you do while angry that's the issue. While flying off the handle can be forgiven, that doesn't make it okay, just like someone may forgive you for inflicting violence against them but you'll still get hauled in by the police for it.
Anyway, just catch me in chat or on AIM or whatever if you need to talk about the web page stuff, Allamorph. I'll probably be online most of the evening.
Master of Kittehs (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I really don't know much about christianity... but really Alla it's okay people make mistakes like the others have said. Once again you're only human and EVERYONE makes mistakes.
So to not be extremely repetitive... just forget this whole ordeal and post some more dreams >D *is shot*
The things you miss when you don't log in for a day and a half. o_O Uh... sorry Allamorph, I kind of agree with Nathan. At this point, in my opinion, you need to just let it go and move on. All this post does is make me want to cry.
I simply do not agree with the concept that one should always be so in control of their emotions that they never get angry. It doesn't fly with me and it never will. Humans are not perfect and that's what forgiveness is all about. I think what people are saying is you're entitled to not be perfect and therefore rant occasionally.
It's not pretty when you get mad, it never is. We understand this. Even if you never show it, you do get angry and keeping it out of site doesn't change that. You felt bad about showing that anger and we understand that too. It's still okay because damnit! You're human like the rest of us!
Now, you're just coming across as if you should be above being human and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. -_-
Let’s put this another way since I feel like this is kind of directed to me. Are you not entitled to forgiveness? If you are entitled to forgiveness… What it boils down to, in my opinion, is you ARE entitled to be human because you ARE human.
I agree with Darren, you are, in my opinion, going way overboard with the slamming yourself for having sinned as you put it. You’ve just gone from one extreme to the other. From anger and frustration to condemning yourself for not being perfect.
I’m going to wash my hands of this because honestly, now you are taking this way too seriously. You got angry. It happens. Let it go. The rest of us have you know.
Sabrina
Otaku Archangel | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
I'm not sure if you really needed to post this, but I can understand why you felt you had to. It's hard to own up to when we make a mistake and though it may seem like overkill, it's often best to fully understand (if only for yourself) why it was a mistake and how important it is acknowledge that.
I'm glad you say this is over with, because if you post again... like the others at that point I'll whack you with a pillow. =P
-Sabrina
Aaryanna
Otaku Legend | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
It's not often that I log in to find lots of updates from you. o_O Uh... I think this has all been hashed out in the comments already. So... I'm gonna follow Rach's example and simply post this:
INCOMING!
~*Aaryanna*~
Rachmaninoff
Otaku Legend | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
Serious Allamorph is... Serious. And since I already know you tend to be through like this... I'll just add something unrelated to the topic. Squirrel Later.
-Darren
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@TwistedCyberChick:
I hope you feel more satisfied about how you react to things that could anger you in the future.
Definitely.
I let my vigilance down, really. So this is just reinforcing what I already know to do.
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@Miss Anonymous:
But, seriously, did you need to take five pages just to say that?
Yes.
Thorough, remember?
Just sayin', follow your own advice when you say that this is between you and God; if it's such a private matter, then don't post it on your world.
I turned the matter into a public one with the first post about this. Ergo, it must also be settled publicly.
I'm going to stop commenting on posts like these from now on, because quite honestly they're beginning to annoy.
I'm sorry you feel that way. It is your own choice to read what I write, so I can't begrudge you that.
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@Shinmaru:
Thank you for understanding. I really appreciate that.
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@Allamorph:
Remind me to tell you about my uncle later on. And I urge you, please don't cry for me. This post has made me feel the best I have in days. I am very much at peace with myself.
That is what worried me. That you were going overboard and weren't at peace. ._. If you've moved on, then that's all I need to know.
Doesn't mean I don't want to whack you with a pillow. I know it's not intentional, but your method of being so detailed can come across as overkill.
Anyway... *gives you a cookie instead*
Last edited by SunfallE at 12:18:25 AM EST on February 9, 2009.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@:
Or rather, we will once you get off your high horse and stop punishing yourself over one freakout.
I refuse to casually dismiss failure of this kind for myself. That's who I am. This is just one of the few times I have spoken openly about such refusal.
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/09/09 | Reply
@SunfallE:
I simply do not agree with the concept that one should always be so in control of their emotions that they never get angry.
That's not the point. I get aggravated all the time. It's a normal human response. But how I dealt with my anger this time was inappropriate. It is my reactions that should be under my control.
Remind me to tell you about my uncle later on. And I urge you, please don't cry for me. This post has made me feel the best I have in days. I am very much at peace with myself.
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
@Nathan:
Let’s put this another way since I feel like this is kind of directed to me.
Mmm, not so much. Your quote was simply the easiest to use because it spoke the most directly to the sentiment in question.
Something you'll come to learn about me is that I'm either completely out of my mind or completely serious. And when I am serious, I am thorough. (I'm sure that my occasional Lounge epistles have been more than enough indicator. Heck, check back to when I first joined the boards, and you'll see me start into multiple pages by at least the fifth post I ever made.)
The reasons I was so careful to outline this to you guys are because first I feel you deserve to know the why of my decisions, and second because I believe you all are capable of understanding. Key phrase in the second paragraph: "fiasco is behind me now". I have moved on. But that point of contention remained, and I felt the need to address it.
As for forgiveness: I already have it, temporally from God as well as from all of you, which I most certainly did not miss. (And for which I am very grateful. ^_^) So I'm not sitting around berating myself for screwing up. I'm simply recognising that I failed and, while understanding that I will do so again, refusing to let that knowledge undermine future vigilance against it.
Or more simply, Des is right. =P
TwistedCyberChick
Grand Otaku | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
It might seem like you're being too hard on yourself, but I can totally understand why you wanted to show us the basis for how you govern your actions. I also do my best to live my life with those verses in mind.
We who truly view ourselves as Christians shape our moral values around the principles found in the Scriptures. Our actions play a large part of whether we're becoming imitators of Christ. Jesus himself stated in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness." Verse 24 of James chapter 2 ends with the phrase "faith without works is dead." So, we should behave as people claiming to follow the Christ for it have any real meaning.
Many people don't like hearing this. They don't want to think that their actions should be governed by anyone but themselves. They are more than entitled to that opinion.
I understand you want to control your anger. I approve of that mindset. We don't want people getting a "holier than thou" vibe, though. I personally didn't get that feeling from this post, but apparently some others did. *shrug* I hope you feel more satisfied about how you react to things that could anger you in the future.
...
Yesterday the weather was ideal. Today - not so much. =(
Miss Anonymous: ARE YOU CALLING THE PLIGHT OF PIZZA EVERYWHERE STUPID?!?!? >:O
Miss Anonymous
Vagrant AI (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
... whoa, dude.
First off, I agree with the message you're trying to convey here, with the whole "Christians should practice what they preach" deal. But, seriously, did you need to take five pages just to say that? I think we all would've understood and firmly agreed if you had left it to one or two paragraphs.
Just sayin', follow your own advice when you say that this is between you and God; if it's such a private matter, then don't post it on your world.
I'm going to stop commenting on posts like these from now on, because quite honestly they're beginning to annoy.
Selene Shri
Grand Otaku | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
oO Everyone has long posts today. Uh... didn't you already say this in less words in your previous post? o_o I get that you know it's wrong to get mad, you don't have to explain.
~Sarah
Last edited by Selene Shri at 6:12:36 PM EST on February 8, 2009.
Shinmaru
Baron of Terribad (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I agree with Des. Some of the reactions to this post are a bit confusing to me, although I do somewhat understand where people are coming from, as Alla's friends.
(I am evaluating the post from my perspective, of course, so I apologize if I misconstrue it in any way. Feel free to correct me if something I write does not jive with your true thoughts.)
Nowhere in this post did I get the idea that by being a Christian, Alla expects himself to be above being human, or equal to God. (Maybe it is the "Christ-like" that gives people that impression? I don't know. "Similar to" is not the same as "equal," however.) He does not expect perfection. What he does expect, though, is that his actions should reflect his faith as best they can.
He writes it himself: "My words should support my declaration; I should not blow up and scream and curse simply because I feel like it." There are most definitely times to be angry and rise to action. But he does not believe the actions that led to this post warranted the amount of anger he let loose. And as Des writes, although anger is a part of human nature, and Alla's feelings can be forgiven, it does not make the initial action right in any way.
I am not a Christian, but I can relate to the need to look within oneself and re-evaluate one's code of conduct. Just as an example: I am good at dealing with my siblings, for the most part. I am calm, happy and get along with them well. Sometimes, however, one of them might do something absolutely annoying (and with the knowledge that it is annoying), and I might snap at him or her. I will apologize afterward, of course, and my siblings will usually forgive me. But there is still a need to look inside myself, know why what I did was wrong and try to correct it in the future. I don't think it's taking the wrongdoing "too seriously" -- it is just part of a learning process.
Last edited by Shinmaru at 6:41:08 PM EST on February 8, 2009.
Love thy Evangelion.
Desbreko
Abundant Love (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I don't want to speak for Allamorph, but I think people are misunderstanding this post. I don't get the impression that he's condemning himself or saying he should be perfect, just that he's making it clear that he views what he did as a mistake and he's treating it as such instead of simply brushing it off and acting like it was okay. I mean, if someone gets into a fist fight people don't say, "Well, he's only human, he's entitled to get angry sometimes," and act like it's fine. It's a similar sort of situation here only the actions in question obviously aren't as severe.
Being angry also isn't the issue. Everyone gets angry at times, regardless of how in control of their emotions they are, and that is simply human nature. There's nothing wrong with that in itself. It's what you do while angry that's the issue. While flying off the handle can be forgiven, that doesn't make it okay, just like someone may forgive you for inflicting violence against them but you'll still get hauled in by the police for it.
Anyway, just catch me in chat or on AIM or whatever if you need to talk about the web page stuff, Allamorph. I'll probably be online most of the evening.
MewMew
Master of Kittehs (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
I really don't know much about christianity... but really Alla it's okay people make mistakes like the others have said. Once again you're only human and EVERYONE makes mistakes.
So to not be extremely repetitive... just forget this whole ordeal and post some more dreams >D *is shot*
But really Alla, it's okay *pats*
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
The things you miss when you don't log in for a day and a half. o_O Uh... sorry Allamorph, I kind of agree with Nathan. At this point, in my opinion, you need to just let it go and move on. All this post does is make me want to cry.
I simply do not agree with the concept that one should always be so in control of their emotions that they never get angry. It doesn't fly with me and it never will. Humans are not perfect and that's what forgiveness is all about. I think what people are saying is you're entitled to not be perfect and therefore rant occasionally.
It's not pretty when you get mad, it never is. We understand this. Even if you never show it, you do get angry and keeping it out of site doesn't change that. You felt bad about showing that anger and we understand that too. It's still okay because damnit! You're human like the rest of us!
Now, you're just coming across as if you should be above being human and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. -_-
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Nathan
Good Old Reliable | Posted 02/08/09 | Reply
Let’s put this another way since I feel like this is kind of directed to me. Are you not entitled to forgiveness? If you are entitled to forgiveness… What it boils down to, in my opinion, is you ARE entitled to be human because you ARE human.
I agree with Darren, you are, in my opinion, going way overboard with the slamming yourself for having sinned as you put it. You’ve just gone from one extreme to the other. From anger and frustration to condemning yourself for not being perfect.
I’m going to wash my hands of this because honestly, now you are taking this way too seriously. You got angry. It happens. Let it go. The rest of us have you know.
~Nathan