Well, some scientists think that when it's working at full power, it might create a singularity. Of course, it might not last very long; it might disappear in a fraction of a second. But then again, it might last long enough to start ingesting matter, and that's not really a good thing.
In any case, they're trying to find what they consider to be the fundamental "building blocks" of the universe, according to quantum theory: the Higgs boson particle. If they find that the thing actually does exist and it's not a mere theoretical entity, it sure would help explain some things that are currently a mystery in physics.
Is this about those scientists trying to create a singularity? I heard about that, but I wish I knew more and get into a discussion with you. What a topic.
Probably it will take a lot more time to travel Mars than expected.There is few information about the effects of no gravity on the human body for long terms.And it won't be a short trip,for what I saw and caluculate is a 4 years way ,I think that is round but not sure.Probably a nomral person won't survive the trip.
Humm probably won't be even able to walk on Mars .Even thou the gravity is just 1/3 of earths .
Yes, that's one of the bad things about living in space: loss of density in the bone-structure and muscle-fibre loss. I'm sure there must be a limit on how long a person can survive in such conditions. I wonder how they'll figure this out if NASA or anyone else actually does have a workable plan to go to Mars.
I'm sure the astronauts won't be very happy with skeletons as "strong" as Corn Flakes.
I think it would be a very hard work to handle .Living in space for long terms really damages your body .I sometimes imagine the consequences of people living in long terms out of earth and not returning to earth.I believe there is a no return point when you skeleton constitution goes to weak for you to resist a landing at earth.Then I think it will just be life at space,with a low quality of 30 years at most.The same goes for Mars ,skeleton can't sustain at 1/3 the earths gravity.
So if you were to work at space,hope you have a return ticket at each week.
The thought of having a cosmic garbage-can does sound appealing, considering we are still trying to safely manage nuclear-waste disposal. If that were possible, I'd be more than happy to be member of the newly created Cosmological Garbage Disposal Team!
I always thought of the great use a Black hole would be to trow things away.Say goodbye to nuclear waist , any kind of garbage and my favorite,the little brother(lol not really).I also been reading a lot Yotsuba,it's so sad they don't have an anime.
That was one thing that threw up a red flag: The Higgs boson is somehow responsible for a massive helium leak and an associate being accused of espionage/terrorism?
I can sort of see how the math would explain the hypothetical particle affecting spacetime on a subatomic level, but I'm not sure how that would magnify into such large--and dramatic--effects felt here and now. There has to be a more precise explanation as to how it would do such a thing, and I think that such an explanation involves interference on that quantum level--not the world as we commonly experience it. Still, it would be cool to use this as an excuse (borrowed and modified from wired.com): "The Higgs boson destroyed my homework, so I couldn't bring it in today."
(Thanks for not letting me make 4 consecutive posts, theO!) If you want to bang your head against this, go for it: http://arxiv.org/abs/0802.2991
It's one of the papers that the current paper is based on. I know I'll be fighting with it and two other related ones.
Last edited by Pleiades Rising at 10:32:40 PM EDT on October 21, 2009.
I haven't gotten a hold of the paper either, but I did manage to dig up related papers by the same two authors, Mr. Ninomiya and Mr. Nielsen (found on arXiv.org). I'm sure the maths will make my head spin, but I feel I need to start somewhere if I'm to make some sense of this thoery (spooky as it may be).
I'll admit that I've yet to put some substantial philosophical thought behind it, but I'm sure that I'll have to do so, not far down the road from now. (I don't think I can avoid it, for that matter.) I think I can see how, when interpreted in a particular way, the theory can be said to speak of something almost beyond the scope of physics, perhaps ushering in other explanatory ideas--transcendental ones. And it's these sorts of interpretations and ideas that tend to make science and some of its practitioners "self-conscious", as it were. I would like to say that perhaps such a stance might help clarify the tasks, aims, and limits for the scientist (and whomever else has reached such a point), but I can't deny the thought that it may carry an inherent risk of confusion, as some thinkers have noted.
Perhaps if something substantial does come of this theory and CERN's results, we ought to be careful in how we read into such results.
From what little I know about this, I have to say I highly disagree. Even if something was in fact interfering from the future (which that part I do not doubt at all, that I agree with), it would not be affecting the LHC in such a complex manner. Sure, changing particles and the like over time, I can agree with that. But complexly changing the LHC itself? That seems way to extreme to me.
I haven't read the paper and I doubt I could understand the math involved, but this certainly wouldn't be the strangest idea to come out of quantum physics. If entanglement hasn't already spooked you out, this shouldn't either.
On the other hand, as a student of philosophy I tend to think we should be cautious about what such a theory means. At a merely functional level you can say: what it means is that if the Higgs boson shows up then the theory is wrong, and if it doesn't - and the math works - then the theory becomes plausible. Perhaps it's enough, at least for the purposes of experiment, to leave it at that. There's certainly a risk here of what Kant would have called transcendental illusion. The fact that the article you link immediately brings up God seems to me to be good proof of this: we try to speculate and spin stories about a very special sort of brute fact, and in doing so we reach (Kant) "a wide and stormy ocean, the region of illusion, where many a fog-bank, many an iceberg, seems to the mariner, on his voyage of discovery, a new country, and, while constantly deluding him with vain hopes, engages him in dangerous adventures, from which he never can desist, and which yet he never can bring to a termination."
Feynman used to say: "Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?' because you will get 'down the drain' into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped." I agree, although I also think we're all already down the drain from the beginning (the point is to become aware of this). Still, the problem remains: if we cannot really "explain" the phenomena of physics (in the sense of saying how they're as they are) then we are still nevertheless confronted with them in a particular way. How do we respond? Do we just "shut up and calculate," or is there something else that occurs?
Well my friend,I be waiting to see what will happen in this year with the LHC .What I heard is that they also need 5 level computer and control systems to make it work.So if they need those components it's probably going to take a longer time that they expected.It's a very expensive machine and let's hope it finds a way to do things.
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/20/10 | Reply
@Knowmad:
Well, some scientists think that when it's working at full power, it might create a singularity. Of course, it might not last very long; it might disappear in a fraction of a second. But then again, it might last long enough to start ingesting matter, and that's not really a good thing.
In any case, they're trying to find what they consider to be the fundamental "building blocks" of the universe, according to quantum theory: the Higgs boson particle. If they find that the thing actually does exist and it's not a mere theoretical entity, it sure would help explain some things that are currently a mystery in physics.
Knowmad
Scarecrow (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 02/20/10 | Reply
Is this about those scientists trying to create a singularity? I heard about that, but I wish I knew more and get into a discussion with you. What a topic.
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 11/11/09 | Reply
@Kastom:
This title alone is amusing, regarding the latest LHC malfunction: bird.
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 11/06/09 | Reply
@Pleiades Rising:
Probably it will take a lot more time to travel Mars than expected.There is few information about the effects of no gravity on the human body for long terms.And it won't be a short trip,for what I saw and caluculate is a 4 years way ,I think that is round but not sure.Probably a nomral person won't survive the trip.
Humm probably won't be even able to walk on Mars .Even thou the gravity is just 1/3 of earths .
Angel
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 11/01/09 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
Yes, that's one of the bad things about living in space: loss of density in the bone-structure and muscle-fibre loss. I'm sure there must be a limit on how long a person can survive in such conditions. I wonder how they'll figure this out if NASA or anyone else actually does have a workable plan to go to Mars.
I'm sure the astronauts won't be very happy with skeletons as "strong" as Corn Flakes.
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 11/01/09 | Reply
@Pleiades Rising:
I think it would be a very hard work to handle .Living in space for long terms really damages your body .I sometimes imagine the consequences of people living in long terms out of earth and not returning to earth.I believe there is a no return point when you skeleton constitution goes to weak for you to resist a landing at earth.Then I think it will just be life at space,with a low quality of 30 years at most.The same goes for Mars ,skeleton can't sustain at 1/3 the earths gravity.
So if you were to work at space,hope you have a return ticket at each week.
Angel
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/23/09 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
The thought of having a cosmic garbage-can does sound appealing, considering we are still trying to safely manage nuclear-waste disposal. If that were possible, I'd be more than happy to be member of the newly created Cosmological Garbage Disposal Team!
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/22/09 | Reply
@Pleiades Rising:
I always thought of the great use a Black hole would be to trow things away.Say goodbye to nuclear waist , any kind of garbage and my favorite,the little brother(lol not really).I also been reading a lot Yotsuba,it's so sad they don't have an anime.
Angel
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
@Kastom:
That was one thing that threw up a red flag: The Higgs boson is somehow responsible for a massive helium leak and an associate being accused of espionage/terrorism?
I can sort of see how the math would explain the hypothetical particle affecting spacetime on a subatomic level, but I'm not sure how that would magnify into such large--and dramatic--effects felt here and now. There has to be a more precise explanation as to how it would do such a thing, and I think that such an explanation involves interference on that quantum level--not the world as we commonly experience it. Still, it would be cool to use this as an excuse (borrowed and modified from wired.com): "The Higgs boson destroyed my homework, so I couldn't bring it in today."
(Thanks for not letting me make 4 consecutive posts, theO!) If you want to bang your head against this, go for it: http://arxiv.org/abs/0802.2991
It's one of the papers that the current paper is based on. I know I'll be fighting with it and two other related ones.
Last edited by Pleiades Rising at 10:32:40 PM EDT on October 21, 2009.
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
@Fasteriskhead:
I haven't gotten a hold of the paper either, but I did manage to dig up related papers by the same two authors, Mr. Ninomiya and Mr. Nielsen (found on arXiv.org). I'm sure the maths will make my head spin, but I feel I need to start somewhere if I'm to make some sense of this thoery (spooky as it may be).
I'll admit that I've yet to put some substantial philosophical thought behind it, but I'm sure that I'll have to do so, not far down the road from now. (I don't think I can avoid it, for that matter.) I think I can see how, when interpreted in a particular way, the theory can be said to speak of something almost beyond the scope of physics, perhaps ushering in other explanatory ideas--transcendental ones. And it's these sorts of interpretations and ideas that tend to make science and some of its practitioners "self-conscious", as it were. I would like to say that perhaps such a stance might help clarify the tasks, aims, and limits for the scientist (and whomever else has reached such a point), but I can't deny the thought that it may carry an inherent risk of confusion, as some thinkers have noted.
Perhaps if something substantial does come of this theory and CERN's results, we ought to be careful in how we read into such results.
Pleiades Rising
Otaku Idol (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
@AngelBest Dream:
Without a doubt, I too can't wait to see what the LHC can do when it's working at full power. Let's hope it doesn't swallow us all into a blackhole!
Last edited by Pleiades Rising at 8:02:39 PM EDT on October 21, 2009.
Kastom
Otaku Princess | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
From what little I know about this, I have to say I highly disagree. Even if something was in fact interfering from the future (which that part I do not doubt at all, that I agree with), it would not be affecting the LHC in such a complex manner. Sure, changing particles and the like over time, I can agree with that. But complexly changing the LHC itself? That seems way to extreme to me.
I'd rather see in shades of gray.
Fasteriskhead
Otakuite++ | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
I haven't read the paper and I doubt I could understand the math involved, but this certainly wouldn't be the strangest idea to come out of quantum physics. If entanglement hasn't already spooked you out, this shouldn't either.
On the other hand, as a student of philosophy I tend to think we should be cautious about what such a theory means. At a merely functional level you can say: what it means is that if the Higgs boson shows up then the theory is wrong, and if it doesn't - and the math works - then the theory becomes plausible. Perhaps it's enough, at least for the purposes of experiment, to leave it at that. There's certainly a risk here of what Kant would have called transcendental illusion. The fact that the article you link immediately brings up God seems to me to be good proof of this: we try to speculate and spin stories about a very special sort of brute fact, and in doing so we reach (Kant) "a wide and stormy ocean, the region of illusion, where many a fog-bank, many an iceberg, seems to the mariner, on his voyage of discovery, a new country, and, while constantly deluding him with vain hopes, engages him in dangerous adventures, from which he never can desist, and which yet he never can bring to a termination."
Feynman used to say: "Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?' because you will get 'down the drain' into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped." I agree, although I also think we're all already down the drain from the beginning (the point is to become aware of this). Still, the problem remains: if we cannot really "explain" the phenomena of physics (in the sense of saying how they're as they are) then we are still nevertheless confronted with them in a particular way. How do we respond? Do we just "shut up and calculate," or is there something else that occurs?
AngelBest Dream
Holy Knight (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 10/21/09 | Reply
Well my friend,I be waiting to see what will happen in this year with the LHC .What I heard is that they also need 5 level computer and control systems to make it work.So if they need those components it's probably going to take a longer time that they expected.It's a very expensive machine and let's hope it finds a way to do things.
Angel