@Mew Chero
Don't get me wrong, incest is unsettling and gross no matter how you swing it. Hetalia is... Let's just not talk about it, it's a bad idea. OTL Kuroshitsuji, corset scene? I'll be honest, I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe. All I was saying is yaoi, if I recall, is actually an acronym for "no plot". It just kept getting applied to those situations, because there's rarely plot, and only smut. That's all I was getting at. I wasn't trying to contradict you or anything. Sorry if it seemed that way! ^^"
*nods* *nods*
I understand all that.
The topic was not on love in general. I know all about the different kinds of love. Like...I love my best friends so much that I would die for them...But Yaoi is not that. Pictures of Naruto and Sasuke kissing is them not being friends. ;)
I have to admit that your title for this post actually made me more determined to read it ^^'
It was kinda hard for me to understand the original post (saltbender) until I read all the comments on it, but it was worth the effort trying to understand it. It's a very interesting topic you've posed.
I'd say I agree with you on most of it. If an author writes a character's sexual orientation a certain way, then the readers should respect that. And most of the time when there's hints of yaoi/yuri in anime, it's just the author cracking a joke. It's funny when Naruto and Sasuke kiss in the 2nd episode of Naruto because they're obviously not gay. Naruto's totally head over heels for Sakura and Sasuke is too wrapped up in himself to notice anyone else (you can tell who I love to hate, ne? ;) Like you said authors usually put in that stuff because it's either funny or they're trying to get better ratings with fangirls.
The part about yaoi/yuri pairings that I resent is the mistaken notion that just because you love someone means you have to have a sexual relationship with them. At it's base love is sacrificing yourself to make someone else happy. For example: Naruto loves Sasuke, not because he wants to get locked in a closet with him, but because he cares about him and he's willing to fight Sasuke to the death in order to save him (NOT that I'm saying we need to go around killing people that do things we disagree with! Not NOT what I'm saying lol). Maybe society today has the mistaken assumption that sexual attraction/interaction is the highest form of love. That make sense?
p.s. I'm not trying to hate on NarutoxSasuke it's just the first pairing that everyone knows that comes to mind lol
I just mean it's right to think it over. And I'm right that it does not make sense. *should probably edit it, but is too lazy*
and thanks for agreeing.
I like it when people actually pay attention to characters. The creators created them a certain way...and I personally would hate it if someone changed what I intended for them. We as fans tend to forget that there is an author behind manga.
To say an opinion is right is in turn calling it a fact, just saying.
Although, I have to agree with this all really. I don't have an issue with gay people, their rights, or anything. I'm not even sure I'm not bi, I mean I've never liked a girl but I won't say it won't ever happen. So I have no problem with it. If two characters of the same sex imply they like each other, or if it's even SLIGHTLY hinted at, I'll be OK with people "shipping" it, but other than that, I don't really like yaoi.
ONLY AT THE HOST CLUB...BUT WE KNOW THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
Cause you and Ichi are my ultimate OHC Pairing<3
awww. You're adorable Luna. That's why I don't get annoyed. I know you are mainly teasing. Cause you love your Ichigo<3 XD
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
*facepalms* I don't think you understand exactly what I am saying. You can support many pairings. Like you can say, "I think that Ichigo would be cute with either Orihime or Rukia". I just am saying they should be of the same sexual orientations. Like...if you like Shizaiya...GREAT. But you should only think of Izaya as homosexual and don't bounce around. But if you want Izaya with your female OC. You should not be wanting him to also be with males. Do you understand?
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
Then why do you support Shizaiya? If you are a strong supporter of Hana and Izaiya?
And straight couples are not boring and cliche. Read Hana to Akuma and your heart will melt with the love of a straight couple. Without a straight couple...you would not have been born.
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
I understand WHY people like yaoi pairings. I just don't understand why they pair ones we know are straight. Like everyone knows that Orihime has a crush on Ichigo. Ichigo is a male. Thus...Orihime is straight.
Or we all know Shinra is in love with Celty who is female. Thus he is straight. The ones who are not right out said, like Izaya...I am slighlty more willing to accept them...but it is still not really right to assume anything unless you know the full truth.
Besides...if Izaya is in love with Shizuo. That means you cannot pair Hana with him anymore. He is taken and is in love with men. Not females.
my issue is pairing people together who don't have the sexual orientation that you force upon them. And the author never HINTED at it or made situations available. For example...yaoi is for the fans in say Hetalia...because none of the characters are said to be gay like in BL, but the tension is there on purpose to be funny.
But I'm referring to the animes that are not doing that on purpose. There is a distinct difference in planned yaoi and not planned yaoi. I should have said that...but my rant was already too long. I did not even touch the topic of hetalia. It's a weird fandom to even come upon being that it was supposed to be a funny way to learn History...and now had blown up into something....more.
Another example of hinted at yaoi is like in Kuroshitsuji with the corset scene. It's made to please yaoi fans, but yet amuse people who are not. Yaoi is not really a category on it's own. In a manga it's more so...implying that characters could be together...Unlike what fans do when they force them together. aiya.
It's just a rant about how silly yaoi can be for forcing characters who are not gay together. It is not even about what yaoi and what BL is. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing Itachi and Dino Yaoi...and that fulled the rant...I dunno. This was a long time coming.
Last edited by MewChero at 4:18:42 PM EDT on August 18, 2012.
SasuIchi is just kind of awesome in its own right. Hee hee hee *shot by the boys* Just clearing something up, though: both BL and yaoi are planned. They are both styles of manga. However, fans pairing straight characters up is not planned, and though it is referred to as "yaoi", that's just a word used for malexmale, not necessarily fans pairing up characters. Just before you get flamed. O.O
I know. and that is entertaining...only cause that would never happen. cause they are from different series. and plus...Ichigo is your man and it's entertaining to see you do that.
Plus... we have no idea the sexual orientation of either of the two guys. It was never stated. ;)
Mocha chan
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/23/12 | Reply
@Mew Chero
Don't get me wrong, incest is unsettling and gross no matter how you swing it. Hetalia is... Let's just not talk about it, it's a bad idea. OTL Kuroshitsuji, corset scene? I'll be honest, I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe. All I was saying is yaoi, if I recall, is actually an acronym for "no plot". It just kept getting applied to those situations, because there's rarely plot, and only smut. That's all I was getting at. I wasn't trying to contradict you or anything. Sorry if it seemed that way! ^^"
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/19/12 | Reply
@silvershriek:
*nods* *nods*
I understand all that.
The topic was not on love in general. I know all about the different kinds of love. Like...I love my best friends so much that I would die for them...But Yaoi is not that. Pictures of Naruto and Sasuke kissing is them not being friends. ;)
silvershriek
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/19/12 | Reply
I have to admit that your title for this post actually made me more determined to read it ^^'
It was kinda hard for me to understand the original post (saltbender) until I read all the comments on it, but it was worth the effort trying to understand it. It's a very interesting topic you've posed.
I'd say I agree with you on most of it. If an author writes a character's sexual orientation a certain way, then the readers should respect that. And most of the time when there's hints of yaoi/yuri in anime, it's just the author cracking a joke. It's funny when Naruto and Sasuke kiss in the 2nd episode of Naruto because they're obviously not gay. Naruto's totally head over heels for Sakura and Sasuke is too wrapped up in himself to notice anyone else (you can tell who I love to hate, ne? ;) Like you said authors usually put in that stuff because it's either funny or they're trying to get better ratings with fangirls.
The part about yaoi/yuri pairings that I resent is the mistaken notion that just because you love someone means you have to have a sexual relationship with them. At it's base love is sacrificing yourself to make someone else happy. For example: Naruto loves Sasuke, not because he wants to get locked in a closet with him, but because he cares about him and he's willing to fight Sasuke to the death in order to save him (NOT that I'm saying we need to go around killing people that do things we disagree with! Not NOT what I'm saying lol). Maybe society today has the mistaken assumption that sexual attraction/interaction is the highest form of love. That make sense?
p.s. I'm not trying to hate on NarutoxSasuke it's just the first pairing that everyone knows that comes to mind lol
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@Morbid Dollie:
I just mean it's right to think it over. And I'm right that it does not make sense. *should probably edit it, but is too lazy*
and thanks for agreeing.
I like it when people actually pay attention to characters. The creators created them a certain way...and I personally would hate it if someone changed what I intended for them. We as fans tend to forget that there is an author behind manga.
Morbid Dollie
Strawberry (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
To say an opinion is right is in turn calling it a fact, just saying.
Although, I have to agree with this all really. I don't have an issue with gay people, their rights, or anything. I'm not even sure I'm not bi, I mean I've never liked a girl but I won't say it won't ever happen. So I have no problem with it. If two characters of the same sex imply they like each other, or if it's even SLIGHTLY hinted at, I'll be OK with people "shipping" it, but other than that, I don't really like yaoi.
-those with the biggest hearts hurt the most
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@lunastarz:
XDDD Awwww
CHERO LOVES CHU TOO LUNA *huggles back*
._. Well it's always fun to tease. XD cause the boys can handle it. lol
I missed that whole pairing. So I dunno why they made it up. ._.
lunastarz
Pokemon Master (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@MewChero:
It DOES happen in my fantasies ;u; <3 Hahaha!
Awww, *cuddles her Cherrios* Luna loves jooo! >//w//<
And I do like teasing a lot of the boys in the club. Like that one time when I said Kaku and Toshi were my OTP.
*evil kitty laugh*
FUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! *U*
My poor Hosts. LAWLS <3!
Though, I didn't do DinoxEzio. They did that on their own. .___.;
~lunastarz~
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@lunastarz:
ONLY AT THE HOST CLUB...BUT WE KNOW THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
Cause you and Ichi are my ultimate OHC Pairing<3
awww. You're adorable Luna. That's why I don't get annoyed. I know you are mainly teasing. Cause you love your Ichigo<3 XD
lunastarz
Pokemon Master (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@MewChero:
DONT SAY THATTTT!!!!!!!! IT CAN HAPPPEENNNNN!!! ^;0;^
And truth be told, I'd get jealous if he payed attention to anyone else but me. xD
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@lunastarz:
WE ALL KNOW SASUICHI WILL NEVER BE CANNON. It's ok Luna. XD Plus...it's funny to see Ichigo react to it. cause we all know you love Ichi. XD
Last edited by MewChero at 5:47:47 PM EDT on August 18, 2012.
lunastarz
Pokemon Master (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
*does not fit with what you just told Hana* :'D
IchixLuna FOREVER!
Unless, its SASUICHI. Then I ship that twice as HARD! <333
/shot
~lunastarz~
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
*salutes* Not a problem. <3
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
*facepalms* I don't think you understand exactly what I am saying. You can support many pairings. Like you can say, "I think that Ichigo would be cute with either Orihime or Rukia". I just am saying they should be of the same sexual orientations. Like...if you like Shizaiya...GREAT. But you should only think of Izaya as homosexual and don't bounce around. But if you want Izaya with your female OC. You should not be wanting him to also be with males. Do you understand?
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
Then why do you support Shizaiya? If you are a strong supporter of Hana and Izaiya?
And straight couples are not boring and cliche. Read Hana to Akuma and your heart will melt with the love of a straight couple. Without a straight couple...you would not have been born.
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@:
I understand WHY people like yaoi pairings. I just don't understand why they pair ones we know are straight. Like everyone knows that Orihime has a crush on Ichigo. Ichigo is a male. Thus...Orihime is straight.
Or we all know Shinra is in love with Celty who is female. Thus he is straight. The ones who are not right out said, like Izaya...I am slighlty more willing to accept them...but it is still not really right to assume anything unless you know the full truth.
Besides...if Izaya is in love with Shizuo. That means you cannot pair Hana with him anymore. He is taken and is in love with men. Not females.
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@dattebaneyo:
*hugs* <333 Glad you liked my rant. ._. I'm in a mood today. I'll argue with anyone who disagrees. -w-
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@Mocha chan:
my issue is pairing people together who don't have the sexual orientation that you force upon them. And the author never HINTED at it or made situations available. For example...yaoi is for the fans in say Hetalia...because none of the characters are said to be gay like in BL, but the tension is there on purpose to be funny.
But I'm referring to the animes that are not doing that on purpose. There is a distinct difference in planned yaoi and not planned yaoi. I should have said that...but my rant was already too long. I did not even touch the topic of hetalia. It's a weird fandom to even come upon being that it was supposed to be a funny way to learn History...and now had blown up into something....more.
Another example of hinted at yaoi is like in Kuroshitsuji with the corset scene. It's made to please yaoi fans, but yet amuse people who are not. Yaoi is not really a category on it's own. In a manga it's more so...implying that characters could be together...Unlike what fans do when they force them together. aiya.
It's just a rant about how silly yaoi can be for forcing characters who are not gay together. It is not even about what yaoi and what BL is. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing Itachi and Dino Yaoi...and that fulled the rant...I dunno. This was a long time coming.
Last edited by MewChero at 4:18:42 PM EDT on August 18, 2012.
dattebaneyo
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
Thank you, Chero. *sighs* I really wanted to say this but no matter what I keep getting faced with people who act so asjfgvdfuithreostghdfn
Mocha chan
Otaku Legend | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
SasuIchi is just kind of awesome in its own right. Hee hee hee *shot by the boys* Just clearing something up, though: both BL and yaoi are planned. They are both styles of manga. However, fans pairing straight characters up is not planned, and though it is referred to as "yaoi", that's just a word used for malexmale, not necessarily fans pairing up characters. Just before you get flamed. O.O
MewChero
Neko Girl (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
@lunastarz:
I know. and that is entertaining...only cause that would never happen. cause they are from different series. and plus...Ichigo is your man and it's entertaining to see you do that.
Plus... we have no idea the sexual orientation of either of the two guys. It was never stated. ;)
lunastarz
Pokemon Master (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 08/18/12 | Reply
I still ship SasuIchi <3. *shot*