I think in the future women would be involved in the creative process of such creatures. I mean, I think they are right now...
I see what you mean.
I think a connection to nature feels fantabulous (<--- Sorry, this sentenced died as I was typing it). I think creations that reflect life and nature gives a connection that is hard to explain...
The whole scenario reminds me a bit of Frankenstein. Not sure if you've read the novel, but Frankenstein's creation is initially very smart and compassionate, in addition to being much stronger than a human. Even though he's manmade, the creature is strongly associated with the powers of nature throughout the novel, mainly fire and lightning.
Depending on the society in which the androids rise, another thing that could be relevant is Shelley's notion of how damaging it is to remove women from the creative process.
Haha, yeah. I personally don't like stories where the humans are overtaken by the androids simply because why would the humans be stupid enough to make that possible if they were smart enough to make the androids.
Or perhaps it's the fear that humanity is being pitied (maybe the androids don't actually have the capabilities of forming negative opinions of their creators), the fact that the androids are better than them in so many facets of life, that humanity feels insignificant?
I like the idea of the perfect but benign android. Like, there are a lot of stories where androids become highly developed and stop obeying humans, try to kill them, etc.
But what if the androids were compassionate and restrained, and chose to live peacefully with humans and indulge us, but secretly they look down on us. I wonder how mankind would deal with being pitied by our own creation.
Oooh, that sounds really cool! *3* I like those kinds of stories, too. I mean, the androids probably would be much better than the humans because they can make them how they wish humans were. They can be productive without emotions disrupting them.
Androids vs humans has always interested me, since androids are usually meant to duplicate humans as closely as possible. An interesting notion is having a replica displace the original. A novel I once read briefly considered the notion of a fake Chinese Ming vase, that was better-made and looked older than the original. I figure that if you placed the two side-by-side, the original would look like a replica of the replica.
With androids, there's the interesting possibility of correcting the flaws of mankind. You could make an android that was identical to a human, but stronger, more efficient, and morally perfect. If you placed the android next to a human, the human would probably seem like a poor replica of the android.
I thought about that, too...but I wonder if humans who emigrated to another planet and no longer became humans would be able to live on Earth. Like how some fish can live in the ocean and other live in fresh water, but if you switch them they die.
Good point, good point...lemme think about how to work that in...I was thinking of keeping it on the expression of a life form versus the expression of an android or something.
I was also thinking that because uses the creatures on the Earth so much that the other creatures on Earth have evolved into completely different species. Not in a good way, though.
The timecourse of evolution is so long that I'm sure our culture will outdevelop it, but it's interesting to think about what might happen if human evolution diverged. Like, there might be humans that remain on earth and consider themselves true humans, while they really have no better claim to the title than those that emigrated.
When it comes down to it, the definition of "human" isn't really meaningful unless we all share a certain set of traits. People use "humanity" to mean things like empathy, reason, etc. But when you start stretching the definition, eventually all it really denotes is a species.
That's a good point. I remembered also the whole space exploration thing. I feel like if humans did go to other planets to live on them that they would slowly evolve into something else just like other animals have done with moving to different regions. The only true humans would be on Earth.
I really do wonder if we will evolve that far into the future...or I wonder if the far future I am thinking of isn't that far at all...Who knows! :D It's nice to think of these things.
This sounds pretty cool! The basic idea is simple enough that you can explore a lot of different themes.
The notion of the limit of human evolution is an interesting one. In times of environmental change, there tends to be more diversification and change in a species' evolution. I guess one question could be that, along our natural line of development, at what points do the defining traits of humanity change?
Wakusei Aoshi
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/25/13 | Reply
@MaCheriexx:
I think in the future women would be involved in the creative process of such creatures. I mean, I think they are right now...
I see what you mean.
I think a connection to nature feels fantabulous (<--- Sorry, this sentenced died as I was typing it). I think creations that reflect life and nature gives a connection that is hard to explain...
MaCheriexx
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/24/13 | Reply
@Wakusei Aoshi:
The whole scenario reminds me a bit of Frankenstein. Not sure if you've read the novel, but Frankenstein's creation is initially very smart and compassionate, in addition to being much stronger than a human. Even though he's manmade, the creature is strongly associated with the powers of nature throughout the novel, mainly fire and lightning.
Depending on the society in which the androids rise, another thing that could be relevant is Shelley's notion of how damaging it is to remove women from the creative process.
Wakusei Aoshi
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/24/13 | Reply
@MaCheriexx:
Haha, yeah. I personally don't like stories where the humans are overtaken by the androids simply because why would the humans be stupid enough to make that possible if they were smart enough to make the androids.
Or perhaps it's the fear that humanity is being pitied (maybe the androids don't actually have the capabilities of forming negative opinions of their creators), the fact that the androids are better than them in so many facets of life, that humanity feels insignificant?
MaCheriexx
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/24/13 | Reply
@Wakusei Aoshi:
I like the idea of the perfect but benign android. Like, there are a lot of stories where androids become highly developed and stop obeying humans, try to kill them, etc.
But what if the androids were compassionate and restrained, and chose to live peacefully with humans and indulge us, but secretly they look down on us. I wonder how mankind would deal with being pitied by our own creation.
Wakusei Aoshi
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/23/13 | Reply
@MaCheriexx:
Oooh, that sounds really cool! *3* I like those kinds of stories, too. I mean, the androids probably would be much better than the humans because they can make them how they wish humans were. They can be productive without emotions disrupting them.
MaCheriexx
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/22/13 | Reply
@Wakusei Aoshi:
Androids vs humans has always interested me, since androids are usually meant to duplicate humans as closely as possible. An interesting notion is having a replica displace the original. A novel I once read briefly considered the notion of a fake Chinese Ming vase, that was better-made and looked older than the original. I figure that if you placed the two side-by-side, the original would look like a replica of the replica.
With androids, there's the interesting possibility of correcting the flaws of mankind. You could make an android that was identical to a human, but stronger, more efficient, and morally perfect. If you placed the android next to a human, the human would probably seem like a poor replica of the android.
Wakusei Aoshi
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/22/13 | Reply
@MaCheriexx:
I thought about that, too...but I wonder if humans who emigrated to another planet and no longer became humans would be able to live on Earth. Like how some fish can live in the ocean and other live in fresh water, but if you switch them they die.
Good point, good point...lemme think about how to work that in...I was thinking of keeping it on the expression of a life form versus the expression of an android or something.
I was also thinking that because uses the creatures on the Earth so much that the other creatures on Earth have evolved into completely different species. Not in a good way, though.
MaCheriexx
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/22/13 | Reply
@Wakusei Aoshi:
The timecourse of evolution is so long that I'm sure our culture will outdevelop it, but it's interesting to think about what might happen if human evolution diverged. Like, there might be humans that remain on earth and consider themselves true humans, while they really have no better claim to the title than those that emigrated.
When it comes down to it, the definition of "human" isn't really meaningful unless we all share a certain set of traits. People use "humanity" to mean things like empathy, reason, etc. But when you start stretching the definition, eventually all it really denotes is a species.
Wakusei Aoshi
Otaku Eternal | Posted 08/22/13 | Reply
@MaCheriexx:
That's a good point. I remembered also the whole space exploration thing. I feel like if humans did go to other planets to live on them that they would slowly evolve into something else just like other animals have done with moving to different regions. The only true humans would be on Earth.
I really do wonder if we will evolve that far into the future...or I wonder if the far future I am thinking of isn't that far at all...Who knows! :D It's nice to think of these things.
MaCheriexx
Grand Otaku | Posted 08/22/13 | Reply
This sounds pretty cool! The basic idea is simple enough that you can explore a lot of different themes.
The notion of the limit of human evolution is an interesting one. In times of environmental change, there tends to be more diversification and change in a species' evolution. I guess one question could be that, along our natural line of development, at what points do the defining traits of humanity change?