I am reading this post (by SomeGuy and also by you) and now it's 12.53pm, the lights are off and I totally creep out like I am reading some horror story xD;
The lengths that member went to for popularity is really kind of sad. Sure some people will overlook it, but the rest of them will want nothing to do with her for it. There's no fun in having a friend who lies so much that you don't know what is real and what is fake.
The Inspirational (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/12/09 | Reply
That is just a waste of time...I can't believe she went through all THAT trouble to get popular...
Wow SunfallE-san and James, thank you for showing us this. Even though I didn't knew her, it was a shock to read it :O.
I’m still a bit floored by all of this. It just makes no sense to me that someone would waste so much time to be popular. =_= I’d rather have real friends than use fake ones to pretend I’m popular.
Oh, you have some of the posts that are gone now that they deleted their account. That makes it easier to understand. It’s unrelated but… laptop at a beach? o_O It would never occur to me to take something like that to the beach. Anyway…
Oh gosh… the bit about drunk adults hitting kids… that just makes me think she’s hiding behind tear jerking events to distract from people noticing that it’s likely she’s lying. I think Indi would refer to that as emotional manipulation.
Like I told James, I’m sorry that you have to deal with that kind of nonsense. I’m also glad that you both are so calm and truly do try to give members a chance to improve. I only wish the member had taken some of it to heart. That kind of destructive behavior is really sad.
I saw that she deleted her account and I also saw the comments at DA. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. If she's not going to own up to the lying, there's no point in her sticking around. Like Miss A I would have liked to see a real apology from her, but I guess that was hoping for too much.
I read this and all I can think is what a waste of time. My list of subscriptions is pretty small and I like that because I feel like I actually know the people better.
This reminds me of the great lengths people will go to in order to con people out of money or other stuff. I just read her DA account since she's implying the mods were jerks and like she did here, she just started hiding any comment that didn't agree with her point of view.
I'd like to feel sorry for her, but I can't. All I feel is utter disgust over her actions. She has lied to and deceived so many people just to appear popular and that's just not right.
Well she got her wish, she's popular now, but in an infamous manner. Anyone with a bit of intelligence and common sense can see her for the lie she truly is. It's really sad if you ask me.
Beans are evil! (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
"TwoFacedLullaby"... the first two words of that name says it all.
So sad that someone thinks they have to do stuff like that. But I guess there are people out there that are so desperate for attention, they'll do anything.
I just have one question, why not just ban the members that do this?
What, ban the members who make massive hordes of dummy accounts? Or ban the members who entrench themselves so much in their own deceptions that they can't climb back out?
For the former, it should be enough just to get rid of the dummies and tell them to stop. For the latter, banning won't solve the member's problem.
My, my, my... I guess I did get entangled in her web of lies as well. :/
I knew her when she was masquerading as Talluhabella for a short while, then she shut her site off and I was worried about her; PMed her and for a short time we PMed back and forth every few weeks until she stopped replying altogether and I became worried again. Heh. At least I know now.
"Have you fallen in love?" "No, but I've stepped on it."
Did they do anything else other than boost popularity with dummy accounts to inflate their stats? O_o i don't actually know this story. I haven't gotten on in awhile ^^'
*skips around*
-Jae
I just finished reading all of this. I read how she is lying at DA too, saying she left cause the mods were annoying. She was acting like all of you were mean to her, instead of admitting she was lying to everyone.
I wish she had stopped lying and apologized to all the people she hurt. But if she's not going to stop lying, then I'm glad she's gone. Thank you for telling me about it.
o_o I still find it kind of crazy that someone would do such a thing. She must have spent hours and hours making all those fake accounts. And now, she has nothing and people don't like her cause she's a liar. That's sad.
Wow I found this fascinating to read, especially because you added the screenshots too. I am loving the idea of this world.
I am still shocked that members will go to such lengths to get so high up the board ~ Shakes head ~ After i dropped off the rankings due to a break I came back relieved and will now make sure I don't go back on ~ Laughs ~ It is such hard work ~ Raises eyebrow ~ Her maintaining all those accounts can't have been easy either. I almost with I had known her when she was here ~ Doesn't get to know popular members unless I knew them on MyO ~ She must have been fascinating to know with all those accounts.
I have to give so much kudos to you and SomeGuy for keeping track of all this. I am extremely impressed and thankful for your hardwork to make sure that the right members get the credit. Thanks for posting these too. It was an amazing read.
Dr. Mama Cat. (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Basement Kitteh has it right. Running was the most damning thing she could have done, to herself and to those who are her friend. Until she is willing to own up to her shortcomings, very little will ever change.
That is the very heart of compulsive lying, on some level, you can't stop. Those earlier lies start to take on a life of their own and the more you lie in an attempt to preserve it, the more you hurt yourself and everyone around you.
If she ever does return, I sincerely hope it's after she goes and gets some professional help first. If you're reading this TwoFacedLullaby, do yourself one of the biggest favors you could ever do. See a counselor. Find the root of why you feel compelled to lie and with the counselor's help, put an end to it.
Yeah I know... there was a part of me hoping she'd finally drop the facade and I'm kind of disappointed that she did not. I can only hope she does try to change. This kind of deceit is bad for her friends, but even more for her.
TwoFaced went to in order to preserve not just a false social standing, but a false persona, a false soul . . . I can safely say that anyone who believes in being true to their friends can no longer take this person seriously.
And everyone of these people are going to be hurt by that.
That is the real issue.
And that is part of why we went so transparent with this. Those who believed in her, are the ones being hurt. This has gone beyond simple lies and needs to end. I really do hope she tries to learn from this, but since she fled... I'm not holding my breath.
I'm surely not one to relish in drama... but this is ridiculous.
I agree and 99% of the time, you'll never hear about this kind of stuff from us. Mainly because most of the time it's not this absurd, but also because most people do try to own up to a mistake and move on.
It's only when it becomes clear that a member will not stop engaging in destructive behavior that affects others, that we'll lay it all out for everyone to see.
As counter productive as that might sound, when something becomes so out of control, this kind of transparency becomes necessary to head off the complaints of those who refuse to believe that the member did anything wrong.
I'm just glad we've only had to do this kind of thing a few times since I've been a moderator.
I think her running is a sign of little changing. If anything, she should've approached you, James, and Adam about the matter and set herself straight. Apologize. This is some heavy stuff, and she left it sitting here for everyone else to sift through.
Deleting her account on her own just shows how little she is willing to actually take a stand in her own problems and do something about it.
I pity those who cannot truthfully own up to their word, the entirety of it.
"Web of lies" does not speak entirely to the issue, I don't believe. I have noticed people getting caught up in the amount of lies that make up this web, and not the bigger issue.
Each one of these lies stacks on the previous lie.
This is not about compulsive lying.
This is about using lies to protect lies.
This is about desperately trying to preserve a false image with efforts that make discovery, which is inevitable, that much more damning for the person. Had the situation ended with the first set of dummy accounts, such a massive conflagration would not have occurred, I guarantee it. Even at the second set, it might not have been so bad for TwoFaced. (And don't think the irony of the username is lost on me.) And not even the final reveal was the worst thing.
TwoFacedLullaby left this site because she could not bring herself to acknowledge the truth of her actions. That was the most damning thing she could have done to herself. She chose to flee and preserve for herself an image that everyone else now knew to be false and by doing so proved that she was not trustworthy.
I understand that members have been saying she is a sweet person under everything, and that they are still in contact with her and feel her to be sincere. But when I see the great lengths TwoFaced went to in order to preserve not just a false social standing, but a false persona, a false soul . . . I can safely say that anyone who believes in being true to their friends can no longer take this person seriously.
And everyone of these people are going to be hurt by that.
That is the real issue.
Do not for one second assume that any of this is about dummy accounts or mere lies.
"Times are getting tough. When times get tough, people drink. And do you know what drunk adults do? They hit children."
That really irked me for some reason. It seemed like a look-at-me-and-assume-things-PITY-ME kind of thing. Seemed a bit out of the blue... and stereotypically wrong.
Other than that, I feel my emotions were perfectly stated on James's post: After reading through this and adding to my previous recollection of the incidents, I have to say that I am throughly disgusted with this member. Deception, lies, total disregard for the rules... it sickens me. The fact that you, the other moderators and Adam all have to deal with this nonsense is just unreal. I would ban her outright if I could; there should have been no excuses the first time around.
I respect how calm and professional you are being regarding this. Not many can be slapped around as you have and still keep a calm air about them. You are definitely the better man here, even if the guilty party and I, are, in fact, not men.
I'm surely not one to relish in drama... but this is ridiculous.
I would have liked to see an apology as well. Just as I would have liked to see her leave that behavior behind her. If she does show up again, I sincerely hope it's with more honesty this time around.
ReiKiba
Otaku Legend | Posted 12/12/10 | Reply
I am reading this post (by SomeGuy and also by you) and now it's 12.53pm, the lights are off and I totally creep out like I am reading some horror story xD;
Nathan
Good Old Reliable | Posted 04/15/09 | Reply
The lengths that member went to for popularity is really kind of sad. Sure some people will overlook it, but the rest of them will want nothing to do with her for it. There's no fun in having a friend who lies so much that you don't know what is real and what is fake.
LystikinenaXP
The Inspirational (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/12/09 | Reply
That is just a waste of time...I can't believe she went through all THAT trouble to get popular...
Wow SunfallE-san and James, thank you for showing us this. Even though I didn't knew her, it was a shock to read it :O.
~Lys
Sabrina
Otaku Archangel | Posted 04/10/09 | Reply
I’m still a bit floored by all of this. It just makes no sense to me that someone would waste so much time to be popular. =_= I’d rather have real friends than use fake ones to pretend I’m popular.
Oh, you have some of the posts that are gone now that they deleted their account. That makes it easier to understand. It’s unrelated but… laptop at a beach? o_O It would never occur to me to take something like that to the beach. Anyway…
Oh gosh… the bit about drunk adults hitting kids… that just makes me think she’s hiding behind tear jerking events to distract from people noticing that it’s likely she’s lying. I think Indi would refer to that as emotional manipulation.
Like I told James, I’m sorry that you have to deal with that kind of nonsense. I’m also glad that you both are so calm and truly do try to give members a chance to improve. I only wish the member had taken some of it to heart. That kind of destructive behavior is really sad.
-Sabrina
Rachmaninoff
Otaku Legend | Posted 04/07/09 | Reply
I saw that she deleted her account and I also saw the comments at DA. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. If she's not going to own up to the lying, there's no point in her sticking around. Like Miss A I would have liked to see a real apology from her, but I guess that was hoping for too much.
Aaryanna
Otaku Legend | Posted 04/06/09 | Reply
I read this and all I can think is what a waste of time. My list of subscriptions is pretty small and I like that because I feel like I actually know the people better.
This reminds me of the great lengths people will go to in order to con people out of money or other stuff. I just read her DA account since she's implying the mods were jerks and like she did here, she just started hiding any comment that didn't agree with her point of view.
I'd like to feel sorry for her, but I can't. All I feel is utter disgust over her actions. She has lied to and deceived so many people just to appear popular and that's just not right.
Well she got her wish, she's popular now, but in an infamous manner. Anyone with a bit of intelligence and common sense can see her for the lie she truly is. It's really sad if you ask me.
~*Aaryanna*~
KitsuneTsuki
Beans are evil! (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
"TwoFacedLullaby"... the first two words of that name says it all.
So sad that someone thinks they have to do stuff like that. But I guess there are people out there that are so desperate for attention, they'll do anything.
Beans are evil. Bad, bad beans.
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
@Hiko:
I just have one question, why not just ban the members that do this?
What, ban the members who make massive hordes of dummy accounts? Or ban the members who entrench themselves so much in their own deceptions that they can't climb back out?
For the former, it should be enough just to get rid of the dummies and tell them to stop. For the latter, banning won't solve the member's problem.
Shishou
Stalker Stabbit (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Talluhabella [deleted by her]
My, my, my... I guess I did get entangled in her web of lies as well. :/
I knew her when she was masquerading as Talluhabella for a short while, then she shut her site off and I was worried about her; PMed her and for a short time we PMed back and forth every few weeks until she stopped replying altogether and I became worried again. Heh. At least I know now.
"Have you fallen in love?" "No, but I've stepped on it."
somegirl
Bossman's Wife (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Did they do anything else other than boost popularity with dummy accounts to inflate their stats? O_o i don't actually know this story. I haven't gotten on in awhile ^^'
*skips around*
-Jae
Hiko
Otaku Eternal | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Hm, quite the member.
I'm still speechless about how members even have the time to do all of that.
I just have one question, why not just ban the members that do this?
You know that someone truly cares when they brick you like that. -AZ
Selene Shri
Grand Otaku | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
I just finished reading all of this. I read how she is lying at DA too, saying she left cause the mods were annoying. She was acting like all of you were mean to her, instead of admitting she was lying to everyone.
I wish she had stopped lying and apologized to all the people she hurt. But if she's not going to stop lying, then I'm glad she's gone. Thank you for telling me about it.
o_o I still find it kind of crazy that someone would do such a thing. She must have spent hours and hours making all those fake accounts. And now, she has nothing and people don't like her cause she's a liar. That's sad.
~Sarah
Magnus Lensherr
Otaku Legend | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Wow I found this fascinating to read, especially because you added the screenshots too. I am loving the idea of this world.
I am still shocked that members will go to such lengths to get so high up the board ~ Shakes head ~ After i dropped off the rankings due to a break I came back relieved and will now make sure I don't go back on ~ Laughs ~ It is such hard work ~ Raises eyebrow ~ Her maintaining all those accounts can't have been easy either. I almost with I had known her when she was here ~ Doesn't get to know popular members unless I knew them on MyO ~ She must have been fascinating to know with all those accounts.
I have to give so much kudos to you and SomeGuy for keeping track of all this. I am extremely impressed and thankful for your hardwork to make sure that the right members get the credit. Thanks for posting these too. It was an amazing read.
Dranz
Indi
Dr. Mama Cat. (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Basement Kitteh has it right. Running was the most damning thing she could have done, to herself and to those who are her friend. Until she is willing to own up to her shortcomings, very little will ever change.
That is the very heart of compulsive lying, on some level, you can't stop. Those earlier lies start to take on a life of their own and the more you lie in an attempt to preserve it, the more you hurt yourself and everyone around you.
If she ever does return, I sincerely hope it's after she goes and gets some professional help first. If you're reading this TwoFacedLullaby, do yourself one of the biggest favors you could ever do. See a counselor. Find the root of why you feel compelled to lie and with the counselor's help, put an end to it.
~Crystia
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
@Kimmeh:
Yeah I know... there was a part of me hoping she'd finally drop the facade and I'm kind of disappointed that she did not. I can only hope she does try to change. This kind of deceit is bad for her friends, but even more for her.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
@Allamorph:
TwoFaced went to in order to preserve not just a false social standing, but a false persona, a false soul . . . I can safely say that anyone who believes in being true to their friends can no longer take this person seriously.
And everyone of these people are going to be hurt by that.
That is the real issue.
And that is part of why we went so transparent with this. Those who believed in her, are the ones being hurt. This has gone beyond simple lies and needs to end. I really do hope she tries to learn from this, but since she fled... I'm not holding my breath.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
@Nehszriah:
I'm surely not one to relish in drama... but this is ridiculous.
I agree and 99% of the time, you'll never hear about this kind of stuff from us. Mainly because most of the time it's not this absurd, but also because most people do try to own up to a mistake and move on.
It's only when it becomes clear that a member will not stop engaging in destructive behavior that affects others, that we'll lay it all out for everyone to see.
As counter productive as that might sound, when something becomes so out of control, this kind of transparency becomes necessary to head off the complaints of those who refuse to believe that the member did anything wrong.
I'm just glad we've only had to do this kind of thing a few times since I've been a moderator.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Kimmeh
The Beautiful German | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
I think her running is a sign of little changing. If anything, she should've approached you, James, and Adam about the matter and set herself straight. Apologize. This is some heavy stuff, and she left it sitting here for everyone else to sift through.
Deleting her account on her own just shows how little she is willing to actually take a stand in her own problems and do something about it.
I pity those who cannot truthfully own up to their word, the entirety of it.
"This is Schweinsteiger fashion. ZIS IZ FASHUNN."
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
If I may add:
"Web of lies" does not speak entirely to the issue, I don't believe. I have noticed people getting caught up in the amount of lies that make up this web, and not the bigger issue.
Each one of these lies stacks on the previous lie.
This is not about compulsive lying.
This is about using lies to protect lies.
This is about desperately trying to preserve a false image with efforts that make discovery, which is inevitable, that much more damning for the person. Had the situation ended with the first set of dummy accounts, such a massive conflagration would not have occurred, I guarantee it. Even at the second set, it might not have been so bad for TwoFaced. (And don't think the irony of the username is lost on me.) And not even the final reveal was the worst thing.
TwoFacedLullaby left this site because she could not bring herself to acknowledge the truth of her actions. That was the most damning thing she could have done to herself. She chose to flee and preserve for herself an image that everyone else now knew to be false and by doing so proved that she was not trustworthy.
I understand that members have been saying she is a sweet person under everything, and that they are still in contact with her and feel her to be sincere. But when I see the great lengths TwoFaced went to in order to preserve not just a false social standing, but a false persona, a false soul . . . I can safely say that anyone who believes in being true to their friends can no longer take this person seriously.
And everyone of these people are going to be hurt by that.
That is the real issue.
Do not for one second assume that any of this is about dummy accounts or mere lies.
Nehszriah
Hits Self With Axe (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
"Times are getting tough. When times get tough, people drink. And do you know what drunk adults do? They hit children."
That really irked me for some reason. It seemed like a look-at-me-and-assume-things-PITY-ME kind of thing. Seemed a bit out of the blue... and stereotypically wrong.
Other than that, I feel my emotions were perfectly stated on James's post: After reading through this and adding to my previous recollection of the incidents, I have to say that I am throughly disgusted with this member. Deception, lies, total disregard for the rules... it sickens me. The fact that you, the other moderators and Adam all have to deal with this nonsense is just unreal. I would ban her outright if I could; there should have been no excuses the first time around.
I respect how calm and professional you are being regarding this. Not many can be slapped around as you have and still keep a calm air about them. You are definitely the better man here, even if the guilty party and I, are, in fact, not men.
I'm surely not one to relish in drama... but this is ridiculous.
Be true, be you and of course, be otaku.
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
@Miss Anonymous:
I would have liked to see an apology as well. Just as I would have liked to see her leave that behavior behind her. If she does show up again, I sincerely hope it's with more honesty this time around.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Miss Anonymous
Vagrant AI (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 04/05/09 | Reply
Indeed, the one thing I wish had resulted from this was a clean apology from TFL herself. But apparently that's not going to happen.
I almost half wonder whether she'll come back under a new name someday...