@SomeGuy:

I see...

So she came back. Now I feel stupid. She hasn't even contacted me since. I guess we should all just put what happend in the past unless things start to get chaotic again. I doubt she'll continue with what she has done before, atleast I hope so.

I still appreciate what you did regarding to what happend those years ago. Keeping things fair and honest for TheOtaku is what you do, right? I'm sure everyone was, and still are greatful for your confrontation about TFL. People who knew her were hurt, yes, but still found it in themselves to forgive.

And like I said before, let's just leave it in the past unless something happens.

@Kami-chan.x3:

Don't start writing eulogies to anyone yet.

She came back. Brand new account again. All her old friends are very forgiving to her.

Frankly, at this point, I don't even care anymore. Apparently no one cares about all the dumb stuff she did, and are willing to look well past all of that because she's back and that's all they care about. So it doesn't matter if we're trying to keep things fair and honest for the site and its members, because apparently the members aren't really bothered with people who break the rules and don't have to face consequences for them.

So she got away with murder.

So I simply do not give a damn about her or her situation any more.

Commented 05.09.09:

Wow. I'm speechless. I never knew the whole story. I always knew about the accident though. I thought it was fake. But we'll never know.

-Kami

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Rereading Twice and Commenting Again, 2 Years Later - 04.03.11:

Regardless: Nami was caring, funny, and a great friend. I've done the same as her (to a lesser extent) on the site I first met her on, so I can kind of understand what was going through her mind at the time. 2 years ago I said what I said disregarding her feelings. If she read what I commented those years ago (posted above), she would probably feel upset that I didn't question her actions and believed everything SomeGuy had posted right then and there.
But, I won't lie: I believe the majority of what is posted. The proof is there. The evidence is there. If it weren't for the situation, I would have applauded SomeGuy's amazing detective skills. But even so, I still feel for Nami. I don't want her to misunderstand me. I don't feel happy for what has happend and like most, am upset. But I can't say I'm disappointed. You're human and humans make mistakes, Nami. And based on what has happend between when this was posted and the present, it would seem you haven't returned to TheOtaku. (So I really feel like an idiot posting this up to someone who will probably never read it.)
To sum it all up: I MISS YOU SOOOOOO MUCHHHHH!! You were one of my first friends on TheOtaku!! I FORGIVE YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU. But like SomeGuy said, and I quote, "All the lies need to end." Enough said.

BTW, I'm a stupid 15 year old so if this comment seems retarded to you: Please go ahead and blame it on my stupid mood swings and ignorance. But I still stand by what I feel is true.

-Kami

its better to know the story on the other side before deciding and living with a guilty felling that u might've made a wrong decision and literally made someones life even more messed up !!

I have new information on this case... a new account that's fooled more people. I'm not quite sure yet if I have enough evidence to convince the mods but, I have a key witness, Kachikamac, the user seen here in your image http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7624/twofacedlie11.png
knows about her new attempts to fool people on theotaku. We're going to contact moderators but its still shaky.

I'm a little late on getting the full scoop on this whole ordeal. I hadn't found out about it till I read a post from a friend of mine the other day, and even then I was confused. Then I got a link from my friend today to here, and it's now starting to make sense.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe she was a pathological liar or if she had some sort of mental illness. It could be possible, 'cause there are a lot of people who go on the net these days and they might not be so well mentally. So that could have factored into some of it. But then there's the possibility of her just making those things up to get attention. Which I suppose I can understand. With all the fake accounts and such it makes me feel like she was lonely and was trying to get attention.

I go to a placement school which is a school for emotionally disturbed, behavioral problems, etc. kids. And what I've found since going there or in general is some people will try to get attention even if it's negative. People will do negative things to get attention. There's this one boy at my school who punches a hole in the wall everyday when he gets mad and that's obviously something that's not going to be put off to the side and be ignored. So maybe she was doing anything she could to get attention despite the consequences of her actions.

Sometimes people let popularity get to them. You see it on youtube. There's a bunch of people on there who make videos and they don't get recognized for it right away. Once they do though, it's like a high. It goes straight to their head, and they try so hard to stay popular and have tons of fans that their video's start to stink. If she was a lonely person and she all of a sudden started getting attention she probably wanted more and more of it.

I'm not trying to sugar coat what she did, but there has to be some reason behind it all. Wether it's a logical reason or not, and I guess it's been ruled as non logical and that might be the case. All I know is that it makes me sad. It makes me feel really bad for her. It makes me want to hug her and try to help her. But maybe she doesn't want help, and that's why she keeps running away. She might be afraid, or she just doesn't care enough to get herself help. I don't know, and I'll probably never know. But I feel really bad for her..

This probably makes no sense whatsoever. .-. Oh well.

It's good to see that you guys are protective of us all here though. *Hugs*

Thank you so much SomeGuy, for telling us all the truth. I knew about that Kohaku-Dono thing, but I didn't know she still did that in her 'new' account - like many people, I thought Tess was real, and I thought she'd really had that car accident. Although in the back of my head, I did think some of those stories were weird, like the Disneyland thing. So thanks. I can't believe all the trouble you all had to go through, that she made you go through...O_O

~S.G~

Okay... I know TwoFacedLullaby probably better than anyone on the site. We started out being friends on a different site many years ago. And....to find out what she really did...frightens me. I still don't know what to believe. But some of the things she did still don't make any sense to me. It's all so confusing...

~Kachi

@xaos:

You certainly don't need to apologize to me. It's not your fault you were lied too. The only one who needs to apologize is her for deceiving everyone like that.

~Crystia

This ... makes me very upset. I can't believe Nami would do such a thing. I trusted her, and she blatantly lied, not only to me, but to her other friends as well.

What a shame and a disappointment.

*sigh* Do you know if she has started "anew" again with a new account?

You should keep your eyes peeled for that. If she's done it before, she can do it again. Just because TwoFacedLullaby is gone, it doesn't mean Nami is.

Someguy: 100 Nami: 0

I am so disappointed in her.

Thank you for informing everybody.

@Indi:

I apologize for not knowing about all the lies, and agreeing with her and all. *bows* Yeah, I'm the other guy talking with her, again I'm sorry. V_V

I read the whole thing, read the pm you sent, and... I just feel like a very big idiot. -_- I can't believe I was lied to so blatantly and I believed it. I never knew she was all those other people to like your song and all. Oy, and I see that that little convo me and her had was linked to. :|

Man, this has got me a little rattled you know. I mean to have lied that much and created ALL of those accounts? I too remember Adam speaking of a user who had created multiple accounts to boost their popularity, I never thought it was her though. Man, all of this crap even had me thinking she herself was a bot. :| Until I read the rest. Only thing I don't understand is... is Undatoad her or her sister? If Undatoad is her, then that means I've met her way before and that... freaks me out. I told my father about this and I mentioned how you used "chronic liar" and I told him I don't even think that's a good enough word for it and he said " what does a snake do? slither, she's a slithering liar". I'm very glad you pmed out of the blue Someguy, I can't let myself walk around with a veil in my head, it makes ME look bad and all of her other real friends if they are still her friends.

Well, now I know the other side of the coin, as my father tells me always listen to both sides.

By the way as for me the only accounts that SHOULD be registered with the same IP address on my end should be my mom C ko, me, Ikari Warriors (club account), and reversetiny my cousin. I'm able to login into a couple of others accounts but NWP (never without permission) to be honest I forgot all their passwords anyway which is probably for the best. Gosh, I think I'll even send her a note on dA but I don't know, would that be like feeding the fire or something should I just let it go?

Hmmm a good chunk of that was from before I signed up for this gig. However, I clearly remember the accident she posted about. So many of the things she said simply did not fit, at all.

I can't see the posts since they deleted their account. It's a shame they choose to run instead of owning up to deceiving the members here.

Kudo's to you and the staff for putting up with it. Just reading about it makes me want to give her a long over due spanking.

@Sabrina:

EDIT: Oh gosh.... =_= I just realized that the pm nominating her for it... was from one of her dummy accounts... that is just... beyond bad.

That's pretty much the feeling, yeah. Oof.

OMG...I probably took around an hour to read all of this...I came here through one of SunfallE-san's post. I can't say anything more than...this is just sad.

~Lys

I remember when Adam posted about that member having a lot of fake accounts to boost their popularity. I kind of remember something about them being under probation too. I just didn’t know what their new user name was. o_O I didn’t know that she tried to run and hide instead of accepting the terms.

The more I read, the sadder this story is. -_- The sheer lengths that this member has gone to in order to lie to everyone is just staggering. I even vaguely remember hearing about someone lying about being in an accident. What you’ve said is true, that kind of thing is treatable, I’ve heard of far worse that they operated on and fixed. Also, as you said, you don’t recover so easily.

I think it’s great how you and the rest of the staff have been so patient. Dealing with something like that would be very trying, especially upon learning that you’d been lied to for so long. It had to be hard to realize that and to stay as neutral as you did. You all gave her so many chances to shape up and behave and she refused to do it and ran instead.

I know she’s already gone, but I’m going to echo the sentiment that others have said. Stop the lying TwoFacedLullaby. I know you’re over at DA and still continuing to pretend that it’s someone else’s fault, but deep down you know it’s all a lie and the longer you protect that lie, the more you’re going to hurt yourself and others.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to explain what was going on. I may not have been personally affected by this member, but I’m glad to see that you and the rest of the staff are looking out for the members.

Oh wait… o_O I hadn’t gotten to their name yet (I only had close to 70 names to review) but I should remove it from the potential Otaku Angels list. >_< Good grief, I’d better do that right now. Someone like that most definitely would NOT qualify for the position. XP

-Sabrina

EDIT: Oh gosh.... =_= I just realized that the pm nominating her for it... was from one of her dummy accounts... that is just... beyond bad.

Yeah, I remember this multi-account fiasco... so, this is where it all boiled down to, huh? Wow...

LIES! [/michi]

*hides*

The e-mail adam sent out is sorta funny. I'm sure not at the time but now the essay idea is brilliant. So this story's well over a year old now? That's... very... Oo dedicated not the right word i guess.

Wait, she just recreated the same accounts adam deleted? why? that's.... so obvious...
I know several of those accounts and didn't know it was her. And both itachisgrl901 and irunwithscizrz have been in the chat before.

It wont let me view the post that she made when she was impatient with the system. It's saying it's invalid url on theo. actually, I can't read any of those posts... guessing they're all from her world and it's deleted now. nvm

mm the artwork thing really can't be fixed no matter what.
someone will always cheat..
someone will always ask more people to look at their work..
someone will always comment a lot so they get commented back
someone will always be honest and fair
but then you always have your own opinion of what is good and bad. people argue that theo is for anime, not still lifes. some say any type of art should be accepted. If it was just anime I probably wouldn't be here. still though you're always going to have someone that doesn't like something. Just the way the world is.

...that's...crazy. What's the point of making an "Appreciation" world if you are faking all of it. there's no gratification in that at all.
Whoa whoa you're losing me here.. mytragicENDING = Tess = Your Song = Twofacedlullaby (from the IP clone list) but-how? wait what?

Why do i realize things right before people say it =_= makes me feel so stupid.... I would read the entire post before commenting but i'll forget what i read. sadly...

So what actually happened to the REAL Tess is probably the best question I have.

it's obvious she's lying about the dummy accounts because why make dummy accounts with different passwords? if you need quick login to something trivial that doesn't matter you just make all the passwords the same to save you time. It's not like you'd be upset if someone figured the pass out. it's a worthless account.

I'm with you on the miraculous recovery. My father fell off a roof, actually... he was on the ladder he wasn't even on the roof yet and fell because the ladder was secured. A year later and he's still not back to normal. A recovery in a month is impossible if it's that life threatening.

I dono;
Alright, mmm I'm sorry for not realizing the pages James. I hope you have a good night and get some sleep.

-Jae♥

@Indi:

nevermind.

But I have a DA so I replied. I had to. She's not just hurting people here, now she's trying to tarnish the reputation of the mods and the site.

Fuck that. Seriously. Not gonna fly with me.

A lot of the links don't work. -_- But I see in the comments that the person deleted their world. I'd like to believe there is a reason, but it really does look like they were lying to everyone. I wish I knew why.

It's no fun to have friends who aren't real. And if you lie, how will you have real friends? Real friends don't like being lied too. It's rude. Even if your sad or upset, it's not nice to make other people feel sad and upset.

I'm sorry they deleted their account and left. It looks like they lied about why they left too. That's really sad if you ask me.

I'm glad you told us. I didn't know people would lie that much. I've been told people will, I just wished it wasn't true.

~Sarah

Oh Canadian!Jamesy... food for thought: Click Meh Nao! via the comments and don't worry about deletions, I got screenshots so if the link doesn't work when you see this, just let me know.

~Crystia

@:

What part of this are you finding hard to believe? Maybe I can better explain myself to you.

I don't have a leg to stand on, I'll keep out of this since i don't know what's going on.

-Jae♥

Okay, now that Beth has confirmed what I thought to be true, here's my actual thoughts on the matter and a bit of a message to Nami and her friends:

I sincerely hope that if Nami truly is going through hard times like she claimed that she will get through it somehow.
However, that does not excuse her behavior on this site. To her friends, it's rather hard to keep denying she did this when the evidence seems quite clear. You don't have to condemn her as a terrible person, and I doubt anyone here is really trying to do that. But just own up to it. You can still say you're her friend. People make mistakes, BUT just because people make mistakes doesn't mean it's an excuse to continue doing them. Feel free to keep encouraging her, I just hope she matures past the point of doing these kinds of things.

I mean it is understandable
I used to do it too when I was younger (I wasnt online often then though and didnt start here until 07)
I know she is a good person
and I can understand

First, I have to say I, like many others here, am very impressed with your patience in this matter.

And then I have to laugh at the person. I don't even care. The fact that they'd be doing this kind of thing, like...what? It just screams to me teen angst. The complete idiocy and pointlessness of it all...it's just laughable. This is just the kinda thing that teens do. They feel like they're special, and try to get attention. All do it, so I don't really care what someone says about going through hard times in their life. Everyone has hard times. There is always someone with a worse life story than your own, so stop being such a whiny bum.

Whatever the case, I know I'm being a total ass about this, but whatever. That's just the way I feel about people like this. Grow up. Learn how to handle yourself. And damn, get a freaking life.

I've read through the post and the comments. I'm only going to point out a few things here, first of all, we did not delete her account. She did that herself. The only accounts we removed were the dummy ones.

It's truly sad that she deleted it instead of just admitting it and trying to move on. We gave her the chance to clean up her act (more than once I might add), I'm only sorry she refused to do so.

I'm not going to go into more detail since I do have a few screenshots of what is now gone. I'll be posting in my moderation world and backing this up a little further with more facts. So be looking for that.

I had seen all of this before they deleted their account. o_O I'd be very surprised if the staff did it. Most people who misbehave are simply frozen so they can't get into their account. At least that's what I've noticed.

If anything, this only proves her guilt even more. She's doing what she did before, deleting and running to hide from what she did. Instead of truly owning up to it and stopping the destructive behavior.

Anyway, others already covered what I might have said, I just hope she doesn't return and do the same crap again. As for you James, and everyone else, I'm sorry you have to put up with that kind of nonsense.

~*Aaryanna*~

@Allamorph:

I understand exactly what you mean, but no I don't think Nami betrayed me one bit. We're emailing each other as I speak and she asked me to give her other close friends her email address as well.

She told me she left the site because she just couldn't handle it. Maybe it was because of her lying(if she was at the time) or other people, I am not for sure. But no, Nami has never betrayed me. She has helped me many times through the hard time I am going through my life and she still is today. I consider her a friend.

If she lied on this site constantly and on her posts, well I cannot say for sure. Can any of us? I think many people on this site want popularity, a few I have in mind, so they go around signing guestbooks using the same words over and over to just get subscribers although they won't subscribe back. Nami made fake accounts to get popular. But popularity is popularity. Will we base Nami as being a bad person just for creating fake accounts to become popular?

But everything she had once said in her posts I will believe. I will continue being a friend to her for I do believe she needs some good friends in her life to help her.

Thank you though for replying to my comment and trying to comfort me. But this is in the past now and I don't want to discuss Nami's supposed lying, etc. no more for I do not believe it is our duty to say how she really felt/lied.

@innocent heart:

I guess at the time I was just upset to find that one of my good friends had left the site and didn't consider the situation that she could have been the one who deleted her account herself or another moderator.

I believe what you're also feeling is something called "betrayal".

In other words, to find out that a person you respected and valued as a friend might have been faking the entire time . . . it hurts. And the natural tendency of a hurt person in this case is to say "no, I don't believe it, there has to be some other explanation, some good reason".

I'm out of my element in this situation. I hold no great love for popularity, I never have, and I probably never will. I will befriend anyone who sincerely wishes to be friends, but out of the hundreds of members on this site I know about fifty and am close to maybe fifteen. And I'm fine with that. Actually, I prefer it, because I never know what to do when I get recognition for things.

But when a person feels they need to be popular, and must be recognised as popular before being liked, and then finds methods to make themselves feel popular—and when it gets to the point that they are creating fake accounts with (and this is the kicker) no real personality to achieve that goal, despite having people around who would care about them if they were given the chance.....

That is one of the highest insults you can give another person. By creating these fake accounts, Nami was basically saying that the real, living, breathing, caring people on this site were not enough for her. She was saying that real, living, breathing, caring people were just as good as fake accounts with no souls.

She was hurting everyone by that.

Including herself.

And she was lying to protect that.

What I'd really like to find out now is if it was Nami who deleted her own account or if it was an admin. We'll just have to wait and see.

@SomeGuy:

And no hard feelings from me as well.

You have to always look at both sides of the situation. So again thank you for being understanding. :)

@innocent heart:

No hard feelings, I promise.

And yes, you're being quite fair about this too. Thank you.

@SomeGuy:

Of course I can understand it from your viewpoint. After all, when someone lies all the time it is just like the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".

I know that you did care about her in some sense though since you did want her to understand the harshness of lying. It is never good to be lied to and you do lose trust in that person who is lying. But how do we know when she was lying? Is there any proof of that?

I'm sorry for attacking you in my comment. I guess at the time I was just upset to find that one of my good friends had left the site and didn't consider the situation that she could have been the one who deleted her account herself or another moderator.

I really hope Nami wasn't lying about the things in her post, but I will continue to believe in everything that she wrote. But I can see it from your viewpoint as well, as a running away from responsibility...but people are hard to read so I cannot say for sure.

Thank you for responding to my comment and for giving me an explanation.

@innocent heart:

To follow up on what Sangome already said, I had to work this morning from 6:45am to 12:45pm. Essentially, I got two hours of sleep last night after I spent the better part of three or four hours writing up this post. And no, I did not delete her account - again, I've neither the power nor the interest in doing so.

I don't doubt that Nami was hurting inside and has a lot of things she needs to work out for herself. And while I do feel for her situation and how it likely drove her to do a lot of what she did here, I cannot accept that as the constant excuse for the poor behaviour.

To be quite plain, I had no interest in running her off the site. All I wanted from her was to own up, to take responsibility for her poor choices and move on from there.

Sadly, she instead chose to make up more excuses and more stories.

Until I can talk with the other administrators at the site, I can't conclude whether our staff deleted her accounts of if Nami did it herself - if it's the latter, I fear it would be another example of running rather than taking responsibility.

Is that a fair enough way to look at it from my viewpoint? If you don't feel it is, please tell me and we can discuss it.

@:

Oh I did not know that. Excuse me for making a wrong accusation. Thank you for telling me though.

Hmm TwoFacedLullaby could have said nasty things in the past or told lies, even recently she maybe did this. I know she was the one who made all the fake accounts to get herself more subscribers, but seriously...is this the only way we can truly judge her as a person?

No I do not know her in person and only from the internet, but she is a very kind and smart girl. She has helped me many times through my depression and has given me inspiration from time to time. We all lie and we have all made mistakes. We're only human beings. But there is a term known as "forgiveness" and we must learn to believe in that word.

She did NOT make up her life on here, she was very truthful. Sometimes people lie to cope with things that they are going through in their life. I go to a psychiatrist and she has told me the same things about liars. "They need attention but deep down, they are hurting." And so this girl, TwoFacedLullaby, was a girl who was going through a hard time in her life and needed to find inspiration through this site...she considered it a second home to her as do I. A place to find hope. All people have different ways of finding relief.

So I do say it is incredibly cruel of you to delete her account for now she is never going to come back to this site probably ever again. I have lost a precious friend. We don't know when people are truly lying and when they are not, so how could you possibly know when she was lying?

Thank god for email though. I can still stay in contact with her there. I think you deleting her account from this place was a bit immature, but I don't know what TwoFacedLullaby truly did all on this site, so I cannot say. But I will always believe in her.

Thank you though for looking after this site and protecting its members. Thank you for reading.

Wow, to think this girl did all that just to get some internet recognition. Real productive.

Good thing I had read the posts before..

But man... Quite the read.

I have my share of problems at home (many of which I don't mention to people just because I'm not looking for sympathy), and others which a few (mainly my closer friends, such as you) know about, like me being bipolar... But never in my right mind would I think to use personal problems to boost my internet popularity.

Nor would I come up with stories to attract attention either.

I'm not a big fan of liars, though... And as far as I'm concerned, she hasn't learned her lesson. And it looks like she already up and deleted her account. Let's just hope she doesn't come back and create another account, pointing fingers at the staff for the 'disappearance' of her account.

If that happened, though, I'd say it were time to straighten her out, because at that point it would be very clear on whether or not she was truly ready to start fresh.

Well, I have to say that was a well written bit of work there.

Part of me agrees with Lizinator03 though... I don't excuse TFL for lying, but perhaps that was her way of coping with something. I don't know. Either way, it has to be up to her to sort it out. I hope she can. I feel like i've only just been getting to know her recently, so I hope she comes back and does things under her own steam.

I mean one thing I can't deny is that her art is wonderful. I hope she just lets her art speak for itself in the future.

Kudos to SomeGuy for going through all this trouble though, you must have the patience of a rock!

A few hours ago, the links to TwoFacedLullaby's world were working perfectly while reading your account. Now, it seems her entire theOtaku profile is gone. I'm left to assume that she either deleted it or the admin staff had something to do with it. (EDIT: Searching the links with Google and clicking the "Cache" link may more or less recover these bits of data, at least for the time being.)

I'll have to admit that when I first read your account, I was totally shocked. Never in my mind did it cross that TwoFacedLullaby was Kohaku-Dono; I always thought she was just your average theOtaku member.

What even shocked me more is how she and myTragicENDING appear to be one and the same person. I could remember just a few weeks ago when you made a post in this very World about how much you admired myTragicENDING's works and how much you missed her presence in the site. I guess this explains your previous post about how one of your other posts was "more than a little disingenuous".

For all of those events to happen just like that...it's just so dumbfounding and saddening. For you to defend someone from the damage caused by another's action, only to find out that they're just the same person...it's really sad. And somehow, I can understand how much it has hurt you to discover those things.

I was planning on not taking sides at first, since I wanted to let her speak out first in her defense. Yes, you raised valid and concrete points. But after all, it was you yourself who pointed out that many people pretend and lie in the Internet, and I guess you shouldn't be exempted from that. I'm sorry if that struck a chord, but I'm trying to see this serious matter as objectively as possible.

But after realizing that her profile was deleted, I am led to conclude that you were definitely on the righteous track, if indeed she deleted her profile herself.

At this point, I'm left with this line that is often repeated in my counseling class: "Condemn the behavior but never the person." Remember that since this is the Internet, we have no right to be totally judgmental about the person since we don't have a holistic idea of who she really is.

P.S. For whatever it's worth, this was her entry in my failed theOtaku top ten contest:

Any attempt to hack into theOtaku homebase by kidnapping the hamsters that run Adam's super-computer will result in instant bannage along with free and permanent passage to the Soul Society. And Adam is an intimidating man. With a very large zanpaktou.

Since she was the only one who joined, I had a sense of gratitude to her. That's why this whole revelation was just sad for me.

SomeGuy, your patience and self-control are truly admirable. This whole ordeal has obviously been exasperating for you, and I hope writing this has lightened the burden on you at least a small amount. If Nami has any sense, she'll permanently leave the site of her own volition. Lies and deception are not welcome here, and people who practice them aren't either.

El oh el, none of the links work anymore.

I basically knew nothing of this situation other than what you had previously shared with me. I'm not that great at being a "community" member. >.> But going along with what Mimmi and Shadow and everyone else said, I deeply respect you and the other staff for being so level-headed in this type of situation. I've already told you the wild stuff I was contemplating, and this doesn't even directly involve me. I'm sure it still hurts to have something you were so passionate about (good writing) basically thrown in your face when you were trying to be a civil, supporting member of the community.

Thank you for taking the time to write this. Unfortunately, I don't think nearly enough people will read it as they should, but it seems like the one important person who needed to did.

It's really sad when people become such compulsive liars. I wish she hadn't felt she needed to resort to this kind of behavior.

...dude, I think she deleted. Actually, I know she did.

All I can even say about the whole thing, up to and including the deletion, is UGH.

The noobs are going to be up in arms over this,

Even more fun times lie ahead.

Ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

Damn, thats a lot of investigative reporting. How long did it take you to compile all that info? Were you holding onto it until it reached a boiling point? My hat is off to you James, thats a lot of legwork for the task of calling someone out. And even more credit is due for simply not flaming them with the hates from the outset.

I hope this member can change, but I wont hold my breath for it.

Jeezum crowe Nehs... reading this during class break... *rolls eyes*

After reading through this and adding to my previous recollection of the incidents, I have to say that I am throughly disgusted with this member. Deception, lies, total disregard for the rules... it sickens me. The fact that you, the other moderators and Adam all have to deal with this nonsense is just unreal. I would ban her outright if I could; there should have been no excuses the first time around.

I respect how calm and professional you are being regarding this. Not many can be slapped around as you have and still keep a calm air about them. You are definitely the better man here, even if the guilty party and I, are, in fact, not men.

You were definitely through with your post on this and I appreciate that. It makes it easier to get a better grip on what’s going on. I do remember that incident with the massive amounts of dummy accounts, just as I do recall seeing the apology written in the introduction on her new account. As you said, it’s very similar to what’s going on now.

However, like you said, there’s no getting around the IP thing. You’ll show up on say your friends and family’s IP since you visit them on a regular basis so that’s certainly understandable, but for that many on just one account, that’s stretching it, a lot.

Hunh, I remember seeing the sudden rush of comments promoting that ‘appreciation’ world. So though they are gone, I do recall seeing them. I also remember being surprised by it since that kind of thing is unusual around here. I also remember the reporting issues since Beth mentioned them. That kind of mobbing is just… ugh.

The more I read… the more it’s clear that this member has done nothing but lie again and again. She was given the chance to clean up her act, but even now, she’s just lying in a vain attempt to cover the fact that… she’s still lying. That’s sad. -_-

I’m really sorry that you have had to put up with this kind of crap James. I know the staff around here has dealt with their fair share of things but this is just… absurd. It goes beyond being open and fair. And even in this post, you’re trying to be fair about it.

TwoFacedLullaby, give it a rest girl. End the lies. The longer you wait to start living the truth, the harder it will be. In the end, the one you’re hurting the most is yourself. You may have burned your bridges here, but that doesn’t mean you can’t clean up and go forward in the other areas of your life.

To James and the rest of the staff… I honestly see no reason to allow this member to stay on the site. When someone continues to lie and ignore the chances they have been given, it’s time for them to accept the consequences of those actions.

@Lizinator03:

Please allow me to say this to you:
Everybody lies, is true. Everybody does. HOWEVER, when someone keeps on lying so compulsive like her and the lies start to hurt others and such, sorry but that cannot be taken so lightly as you think or want.
You suggest helping her, have you noticed? The mods, SG and Adam himself, all they did up until now was trying to help her change, they gave her chances over and over again!

Also Lizinator03, while reading this, I kept on reminding the story of the boy and wolf, you know, that story about this boy that cried "wolf" out of nothing and when the REAL wolf came nobody showed up to help him because nobody believed him, he lied WAY TO MUCH. The same could be applied to this, really.
As crazy as it must sound she maybe, I say MAYBE be telling the truth this time but because she lied incredibly much nobody believes her.
You are still young and you do seem like a good kid for trying to help someone who seems to me does not want to be helped on this matter.
Please do not take this as an offense but rather take it as opinion or rather something you can ponder that was said by someone who is older and has much more life experience than you right now.

So James, you have ALL the reasons of the world to not believe her.
I admire you for standing up so many lies and being so respectful with such person who kept on disappointing you over and over again.
Most people would have lost it a long, long time ago.
Again, as I stated before, Adam, the mods and especially you have been way to nice, if she truly wanted to change she could have done it a long time ago and had plenty opportunities as well.
I feel even more proud for you for dealing with this in such a respfectful way.

And TwoFaceLullaby, my advise is, if you do really want to change, start today, this instance! Do not wait any longer. Just do it now before its too late for you.
And same as Ace, I'm backing up James and all the staff and our dearly Adam. And I'm not doing this because they are my friends, no. But because they are respectful and kind people who did put up this much stuff you have done in so many years.

Enough is enough, hun. Really.

I'm so sorry you have to put up this much, boy. Really I truly am. :(

I deeply admire you for your greatness, James. This post saddened me greatly on your behalf, but it's wonderful to see your levelheadedness carry through it and to know this site has a brilliant Shinsengumi standing tall and just. For everyone.

*hugs*

hmmm...
i am still deciding which side to choose,if any at all(i just have this horrible habbit of wanting to know about everything....i believe it's called curiosity)
i mean, consider this : everyone lies. its a given, duh. and yes, TFL has gotten out of hand with these lies. but as mentioned in your post she wants attention apparently, right? knowing that before doing anything....like banning her for life.....maybe try to help her with her problems? i know it would be hard since you've probably lost all trust in her completely, but i was just thinking that it would be a better course of action. maybe, idk, i'm just a kid that's also lied.*gotta lay off this sarcasm* that wants to maybe bring a tiny bit more light in the people who lie for attention. look, i'm talking as if i've never done it >.>. anyway.....
i bid you farewell as i ponder on this. i think you stressed many of the points that were needed. but im still thinking.

It is now 3 AM where I live, and I spent about half an hour reading this.

TwoFacedLullaby, if you're reading this, I'm backing up James here. I don't know your side of the story, but after reading this extensive and acceptably neutral chronicle, I'm also going to call you out. From the eyes of someone completely unrelated to this case, you've been bullshitting this entire site for far too long. It's a giant disservice to everyone in the community and you're cheating everyone, including yourself. I want to believe that you possess the ability to become popular on here the legitimate way, as I like to hope of all the site members, but you'll never know if you are unwilling to try. It may be too late for that now, but at the very least, I implore you to end the charade. Come clean and let the infamy subside. Take it from me, this place is awesome when you feel like people can rely on you.

SG, sorry you have to put up with this kind of crap, now or ever. And kudos for being so forgiving even after getting involved in the whole incident on such a personal level.

So where do we go from here?

I can't speak for others here, but I've already noticed this trend the member has for lying about absolutely everything to get attention. The thing about someone like this is you’re most likely looking at someone suffering from Conduct Disorder and or Antisocial Personality Disorder.

In conduct disorder, it is common to see lying, conning people and other forms of deceit. In antisocial personality disorder, there is a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others, and with this, the person with this disorder will often lie to get what they wish. It can be anything, like money, sex, attention or power.

This is just off the top of my head; I’d need to know more about the person before I could truly say one way or the other. And that doesn’t even touch different forms of low self esteem and depression, among other things.

Personally, considering that they keep lying, I’d just pull the plug and ban them off the site. It’s clear they didn’t learn anything from being busted before.

~Crystia