Lemme put it this way. People who know they are being jerks are not going to tell you they're being a jerk. There's a point to trusting someone's word, and after that I like to find out the truth period. That's why when I was in the chat that morning, I couldn't take anyone's side; my presence made him quiet down, and I couldn't believe anyone without looking at a chat log.
Wow... i stood up for that? Holy crap he didn't tell me he was cussing like that.
They usually don't. :/ Some people own up to behaving like a jerk where others will keep lying about it. Makes no sense to me, but that's what they do.
Though IMO, while I'm fine with the word "hell," I'd probably draw the line at the phrase "burn in Hell." It sounds like crossing the line to me, but I guess that's just what you call mod discretion.
It is, since everyone has different lines that they don't want to cross. I think how the phrase is used would be a deciding factor as well since it's impossible to set down a concrete guideline.
If anything, it'd be a world set up so only chat-mods could view it. Just, working out the logistics of how to let the guest-post list discern, along with preventing anyone else from viewing it, is the sketchy part.
The other option would be a Red Light thread at OB, but since not everyone gold here is staff there....
Man... what a pain. Mods really have a handful, eh? It's good that most people are backing Mods up, for they know they're doing their job.
I think it all comes down to the golden rule, you know? I mean, if you don't want others cursing at you, you better not curse. And if someone asks you nicely that you have offended them in some manner - whatever it may be... just simply stop. Apologize and stop.
Is it really that hard to figure out you're in hot water and trying to talk your way out of it is only likely to get you in deeper, especially if you're trying to say you did nothing wrong?
Though IMO, while I'm fine with the word "hell," I'd probably draw the line at the phrase "burn in Hell." It sounds like crossing the line to me, but I guess that's just what you call mod discretion.
So swearing is aloud in your own private rooms even with another mod there?
That's the whole point of being able to make password protected rooms. If the room creator is fine with it then I don't see a problem. Mind you I'm talking about normal speech, not using it to be rude to others.
What about using it as a quote?
If it's in your comments like a signature... I'd probably ask you to remove it. I do the same for avatars too.
So swearing is aloud in your own private rooms even with another mod there?
What about using it as a quote?
People don't like taking responsibility for their actions I guess.
You know that someone truly cares when they brick you like that. -AZ
Dr. Mama Cat. (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
I have the same sentiments that Allamorph does since this kind of thing really needs to be dealt with. No member need to put up with that kind of nonsense.
...You know, with as many chats you put here of forlorn members, you should make your own World for them. XD
I've actually thought about creating a world just for moderation stuff like this. It would make it easier to keep the stuff seperate from any personal blogging. o_O
But yeah, I've included plenty of chats in my posts lately. =P
I still think we need to encourage members to log any chat where a member is being immature or vulgar, or otherwise abusing their chatroom privileges, and send someone a PM about it.
I agree. There's no reason why members should have to put up with that. I'd like to see more chat logs sent my way or to any moderator since you guys can forward them to me if need be.
And I'd like a way to let chatroom moderators keep each other appraised of members that have come to their attention. But that'd be interesting to manage.
I've been thinking on that one actually, ever since we discussed it briefly on AIM a while back. I still haven't come up with a solution, but I haven't stopped looking into possible means for doing just that.
Oh God, I would go insane having to read these. I made it, like, 10 lines before giving up and skipping to the end of the post.
And that was with me trimming out some of the immature behavior and only including the argument bit. =P Still I understand what you're saying. If I didn't have to read them, I wouldn't.
Madman With a Box (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Totally immature. Wonder how old that person was...
And really, in the case of the first conversation, if they don't like Hannah Montana (or anything else), just don't talk about it and move on to a more pleasant topic.
o_O If they were saying they did nothing... boy was that a complete and total lie. That was painfully stupid to read. I'm with Allamorph, we need to encourage people to save and turn people in for that kind of behavior.
The other is a good idea too, but I'm not sure how we'd manage a place for mods to let others know about problem members in the chat.
I still think we need to encourage members to log any chat where a member is being immature or vulgar, or otherwise abusing their chatroom privileges, and send someone a PM about it.
And I'd like a way to let chatroom moderators keep each other appraised of members that have come to their attention. But that'd be interesting to manage.
Omgosh I can't believe how immature people can be sometimes... You would have thought that with the age restrictions and such they should be matture enough not to even cause these sorts of arguments...
So have u frozen his account...
Exactly. Though some members can't create a room since you have to be around for a year first. It's part of why we're so strict with the Lobby. Some people can't go to another room.
Though in that case, like I mentioned to you in chat, it's not that hard to use something like AIM or any other IM service if someone wants to swear that badly.
I see it like the lobby to a theater. If you want to be mature, you go to the room where the R rated movie is. =P Once you fork over that password that is. Heh.
kittens 3
The Stalker (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 01/09/09 | Reply
I was there, it was stupid. I didn't want to say anything because i thought it was better if i just stayed out of it.
I think i was there for only the first one though.
Nathan
Good Old Reliable | Posted 12/17/08 | Reply
Definitely a lack of maturity on their part. Glad you got rid of them.
~Nathan
Rachmaninoff
Otaku Legend | Posted 12/17/08 | Reply
Guess some people never learn. :/ Can't say I'll miss seeing them around.
-Darren
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/16/08 | Reply
@somegirl:
Like I said. You think he would have told you?
Lemme put it this way. People who know they are being jerks are not going to tell you they're being a jerk. There's a point to trusting someone's word, and after that I like to find out the truth period. That's why when I was in the chat that morning, I couldn't take anyone's side; my presence made him quiet down, and I couldn't believe anyone without looking at a chat log.
somegirl
Bossman's Wife (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/16/08 | Reply
@Allamorph:
-Jae♥
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/16/08 | Reply
@somegirl:
Wow... i stood up for that? Holy crap he didn't tell me he was cussing like that.
They usually don't. :/ Some people own up to behaving like a jerk where others will keep lying about it. Makes no sense to me, but that's what they do.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/16/08 | Reply
@Ace:
Though IMO, while I'm fine with the word "hell," I'd probably draw the line at the phrase "burn in Hell." It sounds like crossing the line to me, but I guess that's just what you call mod discretion.
It is, since everyone has different lines that they don't want to cross. I think how the phrase is used would be a deciding factor as well since it's impossible to set down a concrete guideline.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@somegirl:
Would he really have told you he was being a complete and total jerk?
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@Aaryanna:
If anything, it'd be a world set up so only chat-mods could view it. Just, working out the logistics of how to let the guest-post list discern, along with preventing anyone else from viewing it, is the sketchy part.
The other option would be a Red Light thread at OB, but since not everyone gold here is staff there....
jomz
Otaku Summoner (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Man... what a pain. Mods really have a handful, eh? It's good that most people are backing Mods up, for they know they're doing their job.
I think it all comes down to the golden rule, you know? I mean, if you don't want others cursing at you, you better not curse. And if someone asks you nicely that you have offended them in some manner - whatever it may be... just simply stop. Apologize and stop.
Be a man! XD
somegirl
Bossman's Wife (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Ace
Senile Hipster (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Ugh, I hate it when they argue.
Is it really that hard to figure out you're in hot water and trying to talk your way out of it is only likely to get you in deeper, especially if you're trying to say you did nothing wrong?
Though IMO, while I'm fine with the word "hell," I'd probably draw the line at the phrase "burn in Hell." It sounds like crossing the line to me, but I guess that's just what you call mod discretion.
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@Hiko:
So swearing is aloud in your own private rooms even with another mod there?
That's the whole point of being able to make password protected rooms. If the room creator is fine with it then I don't see a problem. Mind you I'm talking about normal speech, not using it to be rude to others.
What about using it as a quote?
If it's in your comments like a signature... I'd probably ask you to remove it. I do the same for avatars too.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Hiko
Otaku Eternal | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
So swearing is aloud in your own private rooms even with another mod there?
What about using it as a quote?
People don't like taking responsibility for their actions I guess.
You know that someone truly cares when they brick you like that. -AZ
Indi
Dr. Mama Cat. (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
I have the same sentiments that Allamorph does since this kind of thing really needs to be dealt with. No member need to put up with that kind of nonsense.
I did find this bit by them ironic though:
z0mbienuts: wut the fuk r they gna do about it
I do believe they just got pwnd. =P
~Crystia
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@:
...You know, with as many chats you put here of forlorn members, you should make your own World for them. XD
I've actually thought about creating a world just for moderation stuff like this. It would make it easier to keep the stuff seperate from any personal blogging. o_O
But yeah, I've included plenty of chats in my posts lately. =P
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@Allamorph:
I still think we need to encourage members to log any chat where a member is being immature or vulgar, or otherwise abusing their chatroom privileges, and send someone a PM about it.
I agree. There's no reason why members should have to put up with that. I'd like to see more chat logs sent my way or to any moderator since you guys can forward them to me if need be.
And I'd like a way to let chatroom moderators keep each other appraised of members that have come to their attention. But that'd be interesting to manage.
I've been thinking on that one actually, ever since we discussed it briefly on AIM a while back. I still haven't come up with a solution, but I haven't stopped looking into possible means for doing just that.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@Shinmaru:
Oh God, I would go insane having to read these. I made it, like, 10 lines before giving up and skipping to the end of the post.
And that was with me trimming out some of the immature behavior and only including the argument bit. =P Still I understand what you're saying. If I didn't have to read them, I wouldn't.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
TimeChaser
Madman With a Box (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Totally immature. Wonder how old that person was...
And really, in the case of the first conversation, if they don't like Hannah Montana (or anything else), just don't talk about it and move on to a more pleasant topic.
Bazinga!
Aaryanna
Otaku Legend | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
o_O If they were saying they did nothing... boy was that a complete and total lie. That was painfully stupid to read. I'm with Allamorph, we need to encourage people to save and turn people in for that kind of behavior.
The other is a good idea too, but I'm not sure how we'd manage a place for mods to let others know about problem members in the chat.
~*Aaryanna*~
Allamorph
Spiritus Memorae (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
I still think we need to encourage members to log any chat where a member is being immature or vulgar, or otherwise abusing their chatroom privileges, and send someone a PM about it.
And I'd like a way to let chatroom moderators keep each other appraised of members that have come to their attention. But that'd be interesting to manage.
Shinmaru
Baron of Terribad (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Oh God, I would go insane having to read these. I made it, like, 10 lines before giving up and skipping to the end of the post.
Love thy Evangelion.
turtle chris
Otaku Legend | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Omgosh I can't believe how immature people can be sometimes... You would have thought that with the age restrictions and such they should be matture enough not to even cause these sorts of arguments...
So have u frozen his account...
SunfallE
Nyaa~ (ZE MEANIE) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
@Miss Anonymous:
Exactly. Though some members can't create a room since you have to be around for a year first. It's part of why we're so strict with the Lobby. Some people can't go to another room.
Though in that case, like I mentioned to you in chat, it's not that hard to use something like AIM or any other IM service if someone wants to swear that badly.
I see it like the lobby to a theater. If you want to be mature, you go to the room where the R rated movie is. =P Once you fork over that password that is. Heh.
In the name of the tune I will punish you!
Miss Anonymous
Vagrant AI (Otaku Eternal) | Posted 12/15/08 | Reply
Or hey, if you wanna swear, you could also make your own room, right? So there really is no excuse.